"Evil is everywhere" This statement is just made to make clear that you cannot talk about a specific country or city in isolation. Your point that women are exploited everywhere is valid and it requires consideration by all and most of all by women. Whenever there is exploitation the exploited have to fight for their rights as it happened during the independence movements in former colonies, it is another thing that some people join in your fight and help you. In America things have moved far from the time of the civil war, you might have a lady President for the first time in your long history, which just go to show that the society as a whole is progressing. If you look closely you will find that women have been women's greatest enemies, and now that the time has come to unite and assert, I am sure that very soon women's grievances will be addressed.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > "We have a rich heritage of giving respect to women" reminds me of US > southerners saying "we were good to those slaves," a phrase passed down > through generations of southerners and even the children repeated it. None > see the ludicrous nature of the statement. Maybe in the old school Indian > mindset "respect to women" means something different to the younger > generation or even a different culture. I've seen my share of immigrant men > from India in the US corporate culture struggle with women in positions of > authority and understand that is not part of the mindset. Understanding > doesn't make relations easier. And comments like Neil's "RP is right" after > such a statement only contributes to the global culture of acceptance that > women are less capable of performing in positions of authority. Job and pay > comparisons between men and women in the US workforce are still not good > and attitudes like these contribute. We look away not only from the > horrible violence but the subtle forms exerted in our every day life. It is > the looking away as a collective of the subtle forms that guarantees the > continuation of violence and discrimination. > > Someone who commits to carry on in spite of these obstacles needs to do so > with eyes wide open, and will learn the hard way when to take a stand and > when to resolve the immediate conflict as best they can and move on. I > agree with Pol, anyone who says "rape is everywhere" is looking away from > the clear and immediate problem of rape they are facing. We can remain > unconcerned, or use our voice when the opportunity arises. Ultimately, all > we can do is what we can do in the moment. Pacification and avoidance > contributes to the problem and is a large part of the continuance of the > problem. Ultimately, if our compassion is not enough, we break our own > hearts. And sometimes that compassion needs to be all encompassing. > > > On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 6:37:41 AM UTC-5, pol.science kid wrote: >> >> Udwin is a woman. >> On Mar 5, 2015 4:44 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> That documentary has been banned and I don't read banned stuff because >>> it is mostly prejudiced and sensational. The maker is simply creating a >>> storm to make money. When that incident happened everyone was shocked, and >>> by raising that subject again by talking to a perpetrator of the crime what >>> did the producer want? If he was really concerned he should have talked to >>> people on the road and not a savage who had no concern for others but only >>> blaming the victim. Everyone needs protection, I as well. It is society >>> through the government that provides protection against criminals and >>> scoundrels. There are other type of savages who loot all your money and put >>> you on the road, there are savages in uniform who implicate you in criminal >>> cases, everyone needs protection and you are not unique in that. You can >>> make India a better place to live in, just why don't you try to do that? >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:19 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Don't use animals and rapists synonymously. What is your point when you >>>> say women in other places are vulnerable? Its quite obvious.. We all live >>>> in this world and are aware of what happens in other places too.. The point >>>> of reference is the documentary and Delhi. Maybe extending it to other >>>> parts of India. Nobody ever said only Indian men rape. I don't know who you >>>> are defending 'india' against... When you say 'you are not unique 'in >>>> demanding protection.. Are you talking to me(when did i demand >>>> protection;when i said delhi is unsafe??) , or do you mean all womankind >>>> when you say 'you are not unique in demanding protection'? As far as i >>>> gather Udwin is saying through the documentary that most men in india are >>>> not raised to respect women as equals and that's a contributing factor in >>>> increased rapes, hardly about controlling some random 'savages' out to get >>>> women and children. Maybe you should actually watch the documentary. Might >>>> help bring some perspective. >>>> On Mar 5, 2015 4:03 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Such instances happen everywhere in the world. There are streets in >>>>> New York where you cannot move about. Girls are, and yes even children are >>>>> forcefully put into prostitution and are drugged and made to do things >>>>> which go against civilization. Are they being done by Indians only? >>>>> Everyone needs protection from the animals and savages among us, and you >>>>> are not unique in that. Western countries might be better in some sense, >>>>> but we are in others. If you are talking about Delhi, you are doing so as >>>>> if it was crawling with monsters, but there are monsters everywhere. In >>>>> developed countries they have better systems of control, and as we >>>>> progress >>>>> we will learn to control the animals here as well. >>>>> I have just read Archytas and he has given a good explanation. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:14 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Leave Delhi.. Remember the UP village case where two teenage sisters >>>>>> were raped and hanged from a tree? Already forgotten by most people. >>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 3:12 PM, "polly skid" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why should i need protection if i wear western attire..?and by that >>>>>>> logic wearing 'indian attire' doesnt call for 'protection'..if you wear >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> ? Comparing India with Taliban aint a very great idea. We are moving >>>>>>> forward(in time) because thats what people do/countries do.. Plus who is >>>>>>> criticizing 'india' dude...?? I dont get the point of getting masses and >>>>>>> democracy. It's a fact that if youre a woman in Delhi youre quite >>>>>>> unsafe. >>>>>>> One cant even call any cab or board any bus.. The problems of course go >>>>>>> much further than anything that is written here. Arguing about the >>>>>>> 'greatness' of india's heritage, democracy , culture doesnt do shit.... >>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 2:35 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If you are wearing western attire and moving about the streets of >>>>>>>> Delhi who protects you, it is the people of India. India is a >>>>>>>> democracy and >>>>>>>> the government can function only if they are chosen by the people. >>>>>>>> Whatever >>>>>>>> politicians might be they know that they are answerable to the people >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> are ruling with peoples' mandate. Day by day we are moving forward, >>>>>>>> are we >>>>>>>> doing so by subjugating the masses? Our former Prime Minister Indira >>>>>>>> Gandhi >>>>>>>> tried to play the despot and lost the next election, she learned the >>>>>>>> lesson >>>>>>>> and corrected herself. Polly Taliban does not exist here , some people >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> trying to do that in the name of culture and are unsuccessful. Do the >>>>>>>> majority in India want fundamentalism, surely not! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 1:12 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry.. I don't mean the word tolerant.. what are 'they' supposed >>>>>>>>> to be 'tolerant' of anyways.. That females exist and move about by >>>>>>>>> will?? >>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 12:52 PM, "polly skid" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hate to say this RP.. But majority of people are NOT tolerant... >>>>>>>>>> An hour into the streets of most areas of Delhi or even most parts >>>>>>>>>> of north >>>>>>>>>> india would make it clear... Maybe you stay in better parts... >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 11:41 AM, "'facilitator' via "Minds Eye < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That's encouraging RP. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 12:30:56 AM UTC-5, RP Singh wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It is not the majority view, but that of deranged, uneducated >>>>>>>>>>>> and fundamentalists. Such people are always doing something evil >>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>> name of culture, what do such people know of culture. We have a >>>>>>>>>>>> rich >>>>>>>>>>>> heritage of giving respect to women if we look in not so ancient >>>>>>>>>>>> India, >>>>>>>>>>>> when muslim raiders came from the west and stole women a little >>>>>>>>>>>> purdah >>>>>>>>>>>> system developed as a defence, and in the course of time evils in >>>>>>>>>>>> society >>>>>>>>>>>> also developed, but by the good works done by social reformers >>>>>>>>>>>> from amongst >>>>>>>>>>>> us much of our evil treatment of our women was abolished. It is in >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> nature of humans to rationalize their venomous intentions by >>>>>>>>>>>> putting the >>>>>>>>>>>> blame on the victim. The majority of our people are not like that, >>>>>>>>>>>> they are >>>>>>>>>>>> tolerant and free and that is the reason that we are progressing >>>>>>>>>>>> greatly. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:58 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> China? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 7:13:51 PM UTC, facilitator >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Article: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Blaming women for rape is what hundreds of millions of men >>>>>>>>>>>>>> here are taught to believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the code for women in this country is simple: Dress >>>>>>>>>>>>>> modestly, don't go out at night, don't go to bars and clubs, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't go out >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone. If you break the code, you will be blamed for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When one of the four men sentenced to death for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> high-profile gang rape of the woman in 2012 was quoted in a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> documentary >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as saying "a girl is far more responsible for rape than a boy," >>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeating something community and religious leaders in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation of 1.2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> billion routinely say. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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