Women often were blocks to the emancipation movement. Pankhurst herself was appalled at the sexual abuse revealed as people registered births, fathers often the father of a daughter's child and so on (she worked as a registrar). One of the ig issues in this stuff concerns not conflating cultural relativism and a more absolute form of human rights, It is interesting this documentary was banned and it is typical of the way we push the unacceptable away, a Freudian concept RP must be aware of. Violence is rooted much deeper in our societies than we will admit.to.
On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 4:40:13 PM UTC, Molly wrote: > > Maybe they are too busy fighting among themselves and sleeping too. > > On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:33:50 AM UTC-5, facilitator wrote: >> >> What the hell does the US having a woman president have to do with rape? >> We haven't had an oriental president either. Hell, we haven't even had a >> black president yet. >> >> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 10:03:56 AM UTC-5, RP Singh wrote: >>> >>> There has been rampant dowry harassment of many young brides by the >>> in-laws, but the greatest harassment has mostly been done by the >>> mother-in-law. Women are actually the women's greatest enemies. America has >>> 50% women population and in their long history they are yet to have a woman >>> president. Are women actually sleeping or maybe somewhere they think that >>> men would make better leaders. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> A very sad case indeed, Pol. There is much there to invoke outrage. And >>>> RP's crack about women being the worst enemy for women has the tone of >>>> these rapists flinging insults about the victim. But I cannot say I agree >>>> that the film looks to be someone preying on the victim to get their own 5 >>>> minutes of fame. Looks as if the film makers took a tough stand to try to >>>> bring attention to the problem. And the problem looks to be, at least in >>>> part, that blaming the victim is so accepted in all parts of culture that >>>> we don't even recognize it when we see it, or sometimes say it. I can feel >>>> deep compassion for the mother when she says that she can't be hurt worse >>>> by their words after her daughter died in her arms after their violent >>>> actions. How do we bring attention to the atrocity of cultural acceptance >>>> of not only this kind of violence but the gender inequity that perpetuates >>>> it? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5, pol.science kid wrote: >>>>> >>>>> http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/i-wish- >>>>> judiciary-govt-did-more-than-just-ban-a-film/ >>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 4:44 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That documentary has been banned and I don't read banned stuff >>>>>> because it is mostly prejudiced and sensational. The maker is simply >>>>>> creating a storm to make money. When that incident happened everyone was >>>>>> shocked, and by raising that subject again by talking to a perpetrator >>>>>> of >>>>>> the crime what did the producer want? If he was really concerned he >>>>>> should >>>>>> have talked to people on the road and not a savage who had no concern >>>>>> for >>>>>> others but only blaming the victim. Everyone needs protection, I as >>>>>> well. >>>>>> It is society through the government that provides protection against >>>>>> criminals and scoundrels. There are other type of savages who loot all >>>>>> your >>>>>> money and put you on the road, there are savages in uniform who >>>>>> implicate >>>>>> you in criminal cases, everyone needs protection and you are not unique >>>>>> in >>>>>> that. You can make India a better place to live in, just why don't you >>>>>> try >>>>>> to do that? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:19 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't use animals and rapists synonymously. What is your point when >>>>>>> you say women in other places are vulnerable? Its quite obvious.. We >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> live in this world and are aware of what happens in other places too.. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> point of reference is the documentary and Delhi. Maybe extending it to >>>>>>> other parts of India. Nobody ever said only Indian men rape. I don't >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> who you are defending 'india' against... When you say 'you are not >>>>>>> unique >>>>>>> 'in demanding protection.. Are you talking to me(when did i demand >>>>>>> protection;when i said delhi is unsafe??) , or do you mean all >>>>>>> womankind >>>>>>> when you say 'you are not unique in demanding protection'? As far as i >>>>>>> gather Udwin is saying through the documentary that most men in india >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> not raised to respect women as equals and that's a contributing factor >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> increased rapes, hardly about controlling some random 'savages' out to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> women and children. Maybe you should actually watch the documentary. >>>>>>> Might >>>>>>> help bring some perspective. >>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 4:03 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Such instances happen everywhere in the world. There are streets in >>>>>>>> New York where you cannot move about. Girls are, and yes even children >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> forcefully put into prostitution and are drugged and made to do things >>>>>>>> which go against civilization. Are they being done by Indians only? >>>>>>>> Everyone needs protection from the animals and savages among us, and >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> are not unique in that. Western countries might be better in some >>>>>>>> sense, >>>>>>>> but we are in others. If you are talking about Delhi, you are doing so >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> if it was crawling with monsters, but there are monsters everywhere. >>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>> developed countries they have better systems of control, and as we >>>>>>>> progress >>>>>>>> we will learn to control the animals here as well. >>>>>>>> I have just read Archytas and he has given a good explanation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:14 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Leave Delhi.. Remember the UP village case where two teenage >>>>>>>>> sisters were raped and hanged from a tree? Already forgotten by most >>>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 3:12 PM, "polly skid" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why should i need protection if i wear western attire..?and by >>>>>>>>>> that logic wearing 'indian attire' doesnt call for 'protection'..if >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> wear it ? Comparing India with Taliban aint a very great idea. We >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> moving forward(in time) because thats what people do/countries do.. >>>>>>>>>> Plus >>>>>>>>>> who is criticizing 'india' dude...?? I dont get the point of getting >>>>>>>>>> masses >>>>>>>>>> and democracy. It's a fact that if youre a woman in Delhi youre >>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>> unsafe. One cant even call any cab or board any bus.. The problems >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> course go much further than anything that is written here. Arguing >>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>> the 'greatness' of india's heritage, democracy , culture doesnt do >>>>>>>>>> shit.... >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 2:35 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you are wearing western attire and moving about the streets >>>>>>>>>>> of Delhi who protects you, it is the people of India. India is a >>>>>>>>>>> democracy >>>>>>>>>>> and the government can function only if they are chosen by the >>>>>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>>>>>> Whatever politicians might be they know that they are answerable to >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> people and are ruling with peoples' mandate. Day by day we are >>>>>>>>>>> moving >>>>>>>>>>> forward, are we doing so by subjugating the masses? Our former >>>>>>>>>>> Prime >>>>>>>>>>> Minister Indira Gandhi tried to play the despot and lost the next >>>>>>>>>>> election, >>>>>>>>>>> she learned the lesson and corrected herself. Polly Taliban does >>>>>>>>>>> not exist >>>>>>>>>>> here , some people are trying to do that in the name of culture and >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> unsuccessful. Do the majority in India want fundamentalism, surely >>>>>>>>>>> not! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 1:12 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry.. I don't mean the word tolerant.. what are 'they' >>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to be 'tolerant' of anyways.. That females exist and move >>>>>>>>>>>> about by >>>>>>>>>>>> will?? ... >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 12:52 PM, "polly skid" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hate to say this RP.. But majority of people are NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>> tolerant... An hour into the streets of most areas of Delhi or >>>>>>>>>>>>> even most >>>>>>>>>>>>> parts of north india would make it clear... Maybe you stay in >>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>> parts... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 11:41 AM, "'facilitator' via "Minds Eye < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's encouraging RP. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 12:30:56 AM UTC-5, RP Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not the majority view, but that of deranged, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uneducated and fundamentalists. Such people are always doing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something evil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the name of culture, what do such people know of culture. We >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heritage of giving respect to women if we look in not so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ancient India, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when muslim raiders came from the west and stole women a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little purdah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system developed as a defence, and in the course of time evils >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in society >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also developed, but by the good works done by social reformers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from amongst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us much of our evil treatment of our women was abolished. It is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nature of humans to rationalize their venomous intentions by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> putting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blame on the victim. The majority of our people are not like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, they are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tolerant and free and that is the reason that we are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progressing greatly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:58 AM, archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> China? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 7:13:51 PM UTC, facilitator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Article: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Blaming women for rape is what hundreds of millions of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> men here are taught to believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the code for women in this country is simple: Dress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modestly, don't go out at night, don't go to bars and clubs, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't go out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone. If you break the code, you will be blamed for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When one of the four men sentenced to death for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> high-profile gang rape of the woman in 2012 was quoted in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new documentary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as saying "a girl is far more responsible for rape than a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boy," he was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeating something community and religious leaders in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation of 1.2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> billion routinely say. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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