Right there. thanks for making my point for me. both of you. On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 1:23:28 PM UTC-5, archytas wrote: > > Women often were blocks to the emancipation movement. Pankhurst herself > was appalled at the sexual abuse revealed as people registered births, > fathers often the father of a daughter's child and so on (she worked as a > registrar). One of the ig issues in this stuff concerns not conflating > cultural relativism and a more absolute form of human rights, It is > interesting this documentary was banned and it is typical of the way we > push the unacceptable away, a Freudian concept RP must be aware of. > Violence is rooted much deeper in our societies than we will admit.to. > > > On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 4:40:13 PM UTC, Molly wrote: >> >> Maybe they are too busy fighting among themselves and sleeping too. >> >> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 11:33:50 AM UTC-5, facilitator wrote: >>> >>> What the hell does the US having a woman president have to do with rape? >>> We haven't had an oriental president either. Hell, we haven't even had a >>> black president yet. >>> >>> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 10:03:56 AM UTC-5, RP Singh wrote: >>>> >>>> There has been rampant dowry harassment of many young brides by the >>>> in-laws, but the greatest harassment has mostly been done by the >>>> mother-in-law. Women are actually the women's greatest enemies. America >>>> has >>>> 50% women population and in their long history they are yet to have a >>>> woman >>>> president. Are women actually sleeping or maybe somewhere they think that >>>> men would make better leaders. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> A very sad case indeed, Pol. There is much there to invoke outrage. >>>>> And RP's crack about women being the worst enemy for women has the tone >>>>> of >>>>> these rapists flinging insults about the victim. But I cannot say I agree >>>>> that the film looks to be someone preying on the victim to get their own >>>>> 5 >>>>> minutes of fame. Looks as if the film makers took a tough stand to try >>>>> to >>>>> bring attention to the problem. And the problem looks to be, at least in >>>>> part, that blaming the victim is so accepted in all parts of culture that >>>>> we don't even recognize it when we see it, or sometimes say it. I can >>>>> feel >>>>> deep compassion for the mother when she says that she can't be hurt worse >>>>> by their words after her daughter died in her arms after their violent >>>>> actions. How do we bring attention to the atrocity of cultural acceptance >>>>> of not only this kind of violence but the gender inequity that >>>>> perpetuates >>>>> it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5, pol.science kid wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/i-wish- >>>>>> judiciary-govt-did-more-than-just-ban-a-film/ >>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 4:44 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That documentary has been banned and I don't read banned stuff >>>>>>> because it is mostly prejudiced and sensational. The maker is simply >>>>>>> creating a storm to make money. When that incident happened everyone >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> shocked, and by raising that subject again by talking to a perpetrator >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the crime what did the producer want? If he was really concerned he >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> have talked to people on the road and not a savage who had no concern >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> others but only blaming the victim. Everyone needs protection, I as >>>>>>> well. >>>>>>> It is society through the government that provides protection against >>>>>>> criminals and scoundrels. There are other type of savages who loot all >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> money and put you on the road, there are savages in uniform who >>>>>>> implicate >>>>>>> you in criminal cases, everyone needs protection and you are not unique >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> that. You can make India a better place to live in, just why don't you >>>>>>> try >>>>>>> to do that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 4:19 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Don't use animals and rapists synonymously. What is your point when >>>>>>>> you say women in other places are vulnerable? Its quite obvious.. We >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> live in this world and are aware of what happens in other places too.. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> point of reference is the documentary and Delhi. Maybe extending it to >>>>>>>> other parts of India. Nobody ever said only Indian men rape. I don't >>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>> who you are defending 'india' against... When you say 'you are not >>>>>>>> unique >>>>>>>> 'in demanding protection.. Are you talking to me(when did i demand >>>>>>>> protection;when i said delhi is unsafe??) , or do you mean all >>>>>>>> womankind >>>>>>>> when you say 'you are not unique in demanding protection'? As far as >>>>>>>> i >>>>>>>> gather Udwin is saying through the documentary that most men in india >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> not raised to respect women as equals and that's a contributing factor >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> increased rapes, hardly about controlling some random 'savages' out to >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> women and children. Maybe you should actually watch the documentary. >>>>>>>> Might >>>>>>>> help bring some perspective. >>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 4:03 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Such instances happen everywhere in the world. There are streets >>>>>>>>> in New York where you cannot move about. Girls are, and yes even >>>>>>>>> children >>>>>>>>> are forcefully put into prostitution and are drugged and made to do >>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>> which go against civilization. Are they being done by Indians only? >>>>>>>>> Everyone needs protection from the animals and savages among us, and >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> are not unique in that. Western countries might be better in some >>>>>>>>> sense, >>>>>>>>> but we are in others. If you are talking about Delhi, you are doing >>>>>>>>> so as >>>>>>>>> if it was crawling with monsters, but there are monsters everywhere. >>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>> developed countries they have better systems of control, and as we >>>>>>>>> progress >>>>>>>>> we will learn to control the animals here as well. >>>>>>>>> I have just read Archytas and he has given a good explanation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:14 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leave Delhi.. Remember the UP village case where two teenage >>>>>>>>>> sisters were raped and hanged from a tree? Already forgotten by most >>>>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 3:12 PM, "polly skid" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why should i need protection if i wear western attire..?and by >>>>>>>>>>> that logic wearing 'indian attire' doesnt call for 'protection'..if >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> wear it ? Comparing India with Taliban aint a very great idea. We >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> moving forward(in time) because thats what people do/countries do.. >>>>>>>>>>> Plus >>>>>>>>>>> who is criticizing 'india' dude...?? I dont get the point of >>>>>>>>>>> getting masses >>>>>>>>>>> and democracy. It's a fact that if youre a woman in Delhi youre >>>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>>> unsafe. One cant even call any cab or board any bus.. The problems >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> course go much further than anything that is written here. Arguing >>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>> the 'greatness' of india's heritage, democracy , culture doesnt do >>>>>>>>>>> shit.... >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 2:35 PM, "RP Singh" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you are wearing western attire and moving about the streets >>>>>>>>>>>> of Delhi who protects you, it is the people of India. India is a >>>>>>>>>>>> democracy >>>>>>>>>>>> and the government can function only if they are chosen by the >>>>>>>>>>>> people. >>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever politicians might be they know that they are answerable >>>>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>>>> people and are ruling with peoples' mandate. Day by day we are >>>>>>>>>>>> moving >>>>>>>>>>>> forward, are we doing so by subjugating the masses? Our former >>>>>>>>>>>> Prime >>>>>>>>>>>> Minister Indira Gandhi tried to play the despot and lost the next >>>>>>>>>>>> election, >>>>>>>>>>>> she learned the lesson and corrected herself. Polly Taliban does >>>>>>>>>>>> not exist >>>>>>>>>>>> here , some people are trying to do that in the name of culture >>>>>>>>>>>> and are >>>>>>>>>>>> unsuccessful. Do the majority in India want fundamentalism, surely >>>>>>>>>>>> not! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 1:12 PM, polly skid <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry.. I don't mean the word tolerant.. what are 'they' >>>>>>>>>>>>> supposed to be 'tolerant' of anyways.. That females exist and >>>>>>>>>>>>> move about by >>>>>>>>>>>>> will?? ... >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 12:52 PM, "polly skid" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hate to say this RP.. But majority of people are NOT >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tolerant... An hour into the streets of most areas of Delhi or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even most >>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts of north india would make it clear... Maybe you stay in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 5, 2015 11:41 AM, "'facilitator' via "Minds Eye < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's encouraging RP. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 12:30:56 AM UTC-5, RP Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is not the majority view, but that of deranged, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> uneducated and fundamentalists. Such people are always doing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something evil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the name of culture, what do such people know of culture. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have a rich >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> heritage of giving respect to women if we look in not so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ancient India, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when muslim raiders came from the west and stole women a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little purdah >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system developed as a defence, and in the course of time evils >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in society >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also developed, but by the good works done by social reformers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from amongst >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> us much of our evil treatment of our women was abolished. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nature of humans to rationalize their venomous intentions by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> putting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blame on the victim. The majority of our people are not like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, they are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tolerant and free and that is the reason that we are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> progressing greatly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:58 AM, archytas <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> China? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 4, 2015 at 7:13:51 PM UTC, facilitator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Article: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Blaming women for rape is what hundreds of millions of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> men here are taught to believe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the code for women in this country is simple: Dress >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modestly, don't go out at night, don't go to bars and clubs, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't go out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone. If you break the code, you will be blamed for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequences. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When one of the four men sentenced to death for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> high-profile gang rape of the woman in 2012 was quoted in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new documentary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as saying "a girl is far more responsible for rape than a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boy," he was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeating something community and religious leaders in this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nation of 1.2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> billion routinely say. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>>
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