Who would we not be apologising to?
http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_Genocide
http://med-slavery.uni-trier.de/minev/MedSlavery/Members/stello/bibliobits/articlereference.2007-07-27.3233996517

As a kid Gabby, I imagined the Royal Navy at sea to prevent the drugs trade 
in the Opium Wars, not support the trade.  We are all had by nationalism. 
 Few of us grow out of it.  I guess 'Israel' will not take keenly to being 
reminded that all 2000 of Istanbul's Slavers' Club were Jews.  You know 
what Germans can be reminded of.  Where is the moral hill for your sermon 
on the mount?  It is not unwelcome, but it is shrill, boring and 
unknowledgeable - whereas you are not.  What now then?


On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 11:18:05 PM UTC, archytas wrote:
>
> Welcome back Gabby.  Have you had a mystic experience?  We seem to be 
> short of them in another thread on mystics.  Unlike your old themes they 
> seem to have been quickly forgotten.  I see you have been 'reading up' on 
> US hatestory.  Alex Blum is good too.  Of course, in 1861 when the old 
> countries were imperialising and drug trafficking, we did mean to join the 
> Confederates.  The American mistake, by one vote, was not speaking the more 
> peaceful German of the royalty you exported to us and the Russians so we 
> could have a good old family squabble, or two.  We might blame the Dutch, 
> but then Allan has been placed amongst them.
>
> Have you read the history of the slaving in Europe and around the Black 
> Sea?  One hears remarkably little contrition on this account either.  What 
> to do then?  
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 10:07:47 PM UTC, Gabby wrote:
>>
>> Right, here goes my lessons learned article…
>>
>> I have come to the conclusion that the American God varies largely from 
>> the German God. Let me explain how I have arrived at this point. Before I 
>> came to this group here I have always thought that God was sort of a 
>> universal concept for anything that was not something. Here I became 
>> introduced to the idea that everything had to be determined and defined 
>> properly to be valid and to become accessible for an argumentative 
>> exchange. Those who could or would not operate on this basis got banned or 
>> when in doubt they get ridiculed, bullied ,and ignored. The representatives 
>> of this system and how they themselves have defined their role as group 
>> moderators has ever since reminded me of the God of the Old Testament in my 
>> children's bible. Non-transparent execution of power over childlike 
>> members. 
>>
>> I soon began to draw connections from the strange habitus of the 
>> performers in power to the belief systems under discussion here. Except for 
>> the two eccentric British "cousins" all power performers and performers in 
>> power were Americans from what I remember. No matter what kind of God 
>> concept they proposed, they all had this transcending notion in their 
>> appeal . It felt like the American myth is in constant need of feeding 
>> itself with a self-perpetuating self-pride through a permanent celebration 
>> of liberating one's own liberty from any sort of dependency. Fighting 
>> everything that does not fit in that frame. I felt no responsibility, no 
>> remorse, no historical conscience for their genocide of their First Nations 
>> and for their Slave history, no awareness for possibly having been a thorn 
>> in the flesh of somebody else. Nada. Not meant to be there. Hypocrisy 
>> instead.
>>
>> I think and hope that I have more or less made my peace with God's 
>> imprint on the Americans. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that 
>> all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with 
>> certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the 
>> pursuit of Happiness."  I take it the pursuit of Happiness was the first 
>> indicator for transcendental sunshine demand when declaring one's 
>> independence from the old continent.
>>
>> So, yes, the time is now. Peace.
>>
>

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