No doubt we proceed by transference and its counter in our new 
co-counselling manoeuvres.  It is often difficult to proceed when someone 
takes one's admission that one doesn't really know when WW1 and WW2 or the 
one in Africa that is ongoing and invisible is merely that one doesn't know 
the terms 1914 and 1939.  It is true some of our American cousins (for even 
you and I are in the 'family porridge').thought free trade and 
self-reliance a kind of god and a health service for all the work of the 
Devil.  And that some of them mistake a quasi-orgasmic 
selfish-rationalisation by these means with the spiritual world.  Perhaps 
you would be more comfortable in Allan's excellent private email group he 
advertises in here without compunction?  Or watching the excellent NCIS and 
various other forms of the all-encompassing American excellence of 
excellence not even excellent in its own terms 30 years after we slow 
Europeans get round to teaching it, not realising *In Search of Excellence *was 
a copy of a British report into good secondary schools that could be 
deflated with a quick trip to a German one.  Sorry to be so serious when 
you are not as happy as you might be.  You have always sensed I need a 
different audience and were always right on this.

I am unclear how you have turned :-) into Bart Simpson's 'eat my shorts', 
but American colonialism is more subtle than our crude commie-green 
constructs can handle.  Resistance often has to be banal and symbolic.  I 
can, in deep introspective, see the light coming from whence the sun does 
not shine and rework through that stunning emotion.

There is therapy that recognises trauma  as part of recognising reality and 
we do seem equipped to shift brain blood flows to rapture and bliss once 
purified and developed not to need the drug users paraphernalia - a Greek 
term of that property of a women not subsumed by the male in marriage 
husbandry. You can be assured I care, and know a hundred logics of caring 
that isn't if caught not caring.  Trust is a poison cure and though we have 
language terms that sound clever in Greek, hinting that one is read in the 
Athenian Enlightenment of a city of 400,000 with 250,000 slaves and not 
much for a woman to look forward to other than be allowed out after 60 to 
the funerals of friends, language itself remains unaware of the 
dispositions of its materialisation.  This is why I advocate the 
spreadsheet and database as other than accounting practice.  Two decent 
adding machines would be more use to a free society than all of banking, 
economics and the politics of the rubber-masked aliens running the show.  I 
don't know if you have ever read any AI, but it is very like anything you 
have learned in the linguistic game and your brilliant turn to AL with the 
capital 'i'.  It is worth 'putting up with you', a compliment I have 
detuned in fear of the great rebuke of your kindly 'piss off outta here 
Neil' deconstructive repetitions and wit.

It is still possible to relate other than through mannered language and its 
slogans.  I remain soppy enough to offer to 'hold hands', though know my 
dogs' love is reliant on their lack of opposed thumbs in a world of tins. 
 I would say we both know what it is to be let down by promises.  It's 
Budget Day here and I feel very let down.  The idea as a kid seemed to be 
that a bit of knuckling down to 'mustn't grumble' (darf nicht murren 
doesn't get this - do you have better?) would produce a decent society 
across the globe. as we worked together to cope with a coming ice age and 
find romantic love and peace.  Life would be good as a cog in this Kantian 
wheel.  We had won the war to end all wars that created the next one, which 
we won in order to fight the ally we weren't told had really won it, whilst 
we tried to steal the Middle East back with the French, stopped only by the 
American democratic god that had enough money to do the takeover as 
everyone else was bankrupt.  My part in this peace was to become democratic 
like an American with the great freedoms my spur, whilst somehow preparing 
for this peace by being ready to kill interfering Germans and Japanese.

To discover this wasn't the world I was living in was something of a shock. 
 One wonders now how they taught us such a concealment of the truth and 
prepared us for trauma on discovering any. Social insects use trauma in 
consensus building.  We use the techniques of the American god of Hopeless 
Sunshine.  My logic is science, which works by concealing that it is barely 
logical at all until written up for public consumption.  What you need to 
become a mystic is a past invention like Socrates, an original invention 
copied from travellers' tales East,  so heroic and more good looking than 
you that he was a saint in his own time, revered by all of good sense, in 
order to interpolate through him (her being in fashion) the great vision 
you invented from an old copy of an ancient text translated ten times and 
itself written 60 years after the miracles everyone at the time was too 
busy to give contemporaneous account of.  You know this drift Gabby and it 
makes it tough to be the good girl you wish you'd been born of and is 
actually the kind of person I cross the street to avoid.  Well you have to 
avoid them.  Their eyes are so upturned to the American god and not getting 
caught in pass-the-parcel without the box of dollars they intend to run off 
with when the music stops, they never notice who they step on.

They mostly weren't in here though.  I'd like to hear more and different - 
though I can break up even this sentence in various contexts including 
receptions and my own intent-receptions-repetitions.  Burke and Hare is 
good on hypocrisy and so is the holy genuflection of a Tibetan monk, all 
adulatory eyes like a good whore (a one-legged one saved my life if you 
remember) to his Chinese appointed Lama.  Rapturous adulation can be faked 
as easily as men and women manage biological ecstasy.  Tough old world.  I 
like the story that William Blake had his 'visions' in a lifelong pursuit 
of the rise he got taking the St Michael out of pretentious gawps.  Uncle 
Screwtape passes on his love to his dearest un-American imp.

  

On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 9:27:47 AM UTC, Gabby wrote:
>
> Heyo Neil, thanks for sharing, I take it as caring. Not my logic though.
>
> I am not as happy as I could be in this group here is what I thought I had 
> tried to communicate for quite some time. I have summed up my reasoning to 
> construct a reasonable narrative for myself and also to give you a reason 
> to know why you were right with your set up. 
>
> Happy sunshine everywhere. :-)
>
>
>
> 2015-03-18 2:11 GMT+01:00 archytas <[email protected]>:
>
>> Who would we not be apologising to?
>> http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil-crimes-of-the-british-empire/
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_Genocide
>>
>> http://med-slavery.uni-trier.de/minev/MedSlavery/Members/stello/bibliobits/articlereference.2007-07-27.3233996517
>>
>> As a kid Gabby, I imagined the Royal Navy at sea to prevent the drugs 
>> trade in the Opium Wars, not support the trade.  We are all had by 
>> nationalism.  Few of us grow out of it.  I guess 'Israel' will not take 
>> keenly to being reminded that all 2000 of Istanbul's Slavers' Club were 
>> Jews.  You know what Germans can be reminded of.  Where is the moral hill 
>> for your sermon on the mount?  It is not unwelcome, but it is shrill, 
>> boring and unknowledgeable - whereas you are not.  What now then?
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 11:18:05 PM UTC, archytas wrote:
>>>
>>> Welcome back Gabby.  Have you had a mystic experience?  We seem to be 
>>> short of them in another thread on mystics.  Unlike your old themes they 
>>> seem to have been quickly forgotten.  I see you have been 'reading up' on 
>>> US hatestory.  Alex Blum is good too.  Of course, in 1861 when the old 
>>> countries were imperialising and drug trafficking, we did mean to join the 
>>> Confederates.  The American mistake, by one vote, was not speaking the more 
>>> peaceful German of the royalty you exported to us and the Russians so we 
>>> could have a good old family squabble, or two.  We might blame the Dutch, 
>>> but then Allan has been placed amongst them.
>>>
>>> Have you read the history of the slaving in Europe and around the Black 
>>> Sea?  One hears remarkably little contrition on this account either.  What 
>>> to do then?  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 10:07:47 PM UTC, Gabby wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Right, here goes my lessons learned article…
>>>>
>>>> I have come to the conclusion that the American God varies largely from 
>>>> the German God. Let me explain how I have arrived at this point. Before I 
>>>> came to this group here I have always thought that God was sort of a 
>>>> universal concept for anything that was not something. Here I became 
>>>> introduced to the idea that everything had to be determined and defined 
>>>> properly to be valid and to become accessible for an argumentative 
>>>> exchange. Those who could or would not operate on this basis got banned or 
>>>> when in doubt they get ridiculed, bullied ,and ignored. The 
>>>> representatives 
>>>> of this system and how they themselves have defined their role as group 
>>>> moderators has ever since reminded me of the God of the Old Testament in 
>>>> my 
>>>> children's bible. Non-transparent execution of power over childlike 
>>>> members. 
>>>>
>>>> I soon began to draw connections from the strange habitus of the 
>>>> performers in power to the belief systems under discussion here. Except 
>>>> for 
>>>> the two eccentric British "cousins" all power performers and performers in 
>>>> power were Americans from what I remember. No matter what kind of God 
>>>> concept they proposed, they all had this transcending notion in their 
>>>> appeal . It felt like the American myth is in constant need of feeding 
>>>> itself with a self-perpetuating self-pride through a permanent celebration 
>>>> of liberating one's own liberty from any sort of dependency. Fighting 
>>>> everything that does not fit in that frame. I felt no responsibility, no 
>>>> remorse, no historical conscience for their genocide of their First 
>>>> Nations 
>>>> and for their Slave history, no awareness for possibly having been a thorn 
>>>> in the flesh of somebody else. Nada. Not meant to be there. Hypocrisy 
>>>> instead.
>>>>
>>>> I think and hope that I have more or less made my peace with God's 
>>>> imprint on the Americans. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that 
>>>> all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with 
>>>> certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the 
>>>> pursuit of Happiness."  I take it the pursuit of Happiness was the first 
>>>> indicator for transcendental sunshine demand when declaring one's 
>>>> independence from the old continent.
>>>>
>>>> So, yes, the time is now. Peace.
>>>>
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