Count me in. I would love to come with all of you and go wherever the wind blows. I will take my parachute with me so I can jump off when it gets too chattery in the back.
On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 11:37:32 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: > > We could make a loop, Netherlands, UK, New York,Florida, India, > Germany...take our time! > > On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 6:32:29 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> It would easily make the journey. . With Neils idea of using solar power >> it could have unlimited range.. a luxury liner in the sky. A small >> version could be a sky yacht . Love to meet you. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Molly <[email protected] <javascript:>> >> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:05 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >> >> Can we fly it from Michigan to the Netherlands? I will book my vacation >> days now. >> >> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 5:45:49 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Just occasionally i get an idea once in a while say an insight.. there >>> are many that know much more than i do.. >>> Sometimes I get lucky.. >>> >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>> >>> Now I shall have to look elsewhere for the fount of all wisdom. >>> >>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 9:19:05 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Does I don't know count. I was only interested how to safely use >>>> hydrogen. That is the real key to get it to airship to work as it gets it >>>> into the realm of practical. Oil and aviation industries will not like >>>> it. >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: archytas <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:01 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>> >>>> Sounds very uplifting, now what about the cross-wind? >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 5:54:14 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Past experience tells me it is not really an original idea and the >>>>> gas handling systems are in play already i am sure of that.. >>>>> Part of the detracting part is helium as either the Arabs or the US >>>>> has you by the short hairs neither choice is optimal. . Helium is >>>>> expensive .. >>>>> The problem with hydrogen is it will burn from anywhere 4% to 90+% >>>>> air it is easy to say mix air hydrogen it burns.. that is the reason >>>>> for >>>>> using nitrogen atmospheric nitrogen has a specific gravity of 0.9723 >>>>> and is easily obtained and prevents hydrogen from reaching the >>>>> flammable range.. of course you need quiet a few gas bags to safely >>>>> control lift no matter which lifting gas one uses.. helium is >>>>> expensive and very controlled. . >>>>> Hydrogen is going to seep through almost any type of expandable bag >>>>> using a double bag you can retrieve the seepage for recycling if the >>>>> double bags are contained inside a nitrogen soft filled bag you can >>>>> easily avoid hydrogen from reaching a flammable state.. if in a >>>>> emergency occurred you could safely vent the hydrogen from the top of >>>>> your airship with the gas quickly rising. >>>>> >>>>> The specific gravity of Helium is 0.138 where as hydrogen is 0.0696 >>>>> which gives hydrogen almost twice the lifting power for the same volume >>>>> gas.. lifting power is what it is all about.. >>>>> >>>>> Of course neither the oil industry or aircraft industry are going >>>>> to support the idea.. in reality they will do all they can discourage >>>>> the development if modern airships. This becomes even so when you add >>>>> solar panels to the mix.. especially since the development of being >>>>> able to create flexible sheets on a printing press using the correct >>>>> inks.. >>>>> It becomes not difficult to visualize airships that are totally >>>>> solar powered.. even available to separate the noble gasses needed. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: archytas <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 4:06 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>> >>>>> Buoyant gases- such as Ammonia, Hydrogen, Methane, Helium, Nitrogen, >>>>> etc. do not require liquidation in order to reduce lift, with the >>>>> exception >>>>> of Ammonia as a lift gas, due to the ease of doing just that. But Ammonia >>>>> has only 40% the lift of Hydrogen, and is caustic. It’s been rejected as >>>>> a >>>>> lift gas, at least with current technologies. >>>>> >>>>> But I digress. Some actually do propose compression of the lift gas as >>>>> a means of controlling lift- Aeros has even flown a full-sized airship >>>>> that >>>>> has done just that. It is one of their Helium advertizing airships, >>>>> modified to house the COSH(Control Of Static Heaviness) system as a >>>>> testbed >>>>> for their new DARPA hybrid Zeppelin, the PELICAN. The Pelican itself is >>>>> designed to be able to control lift in all modes of flight, through >>>>> either >>>>> compression of the Helium or heating the Helium. This does not require >>>>> liquefaction for the very simple reason that the gases derive their >>>>> buoyancy from being slightly less dense than the atmosphere, and all >>>>> gases >>>>> are very easily compressible, unlike water. It requires roughly as much >>>>> pressure as a bicycle tire to completely negate the lift of Helium, for >>>>> instance. The hull of a modern airship consists of composites of Kevlar, >>>>> Tedlar, Mylar, Vectran, Nylon, and other coatings. It’s layered and >>>>> almost >>>>> completely impermeable; some hulls only lose 3% of their volume PER >>>>> ANNUM. >>>>> Secondly, the compression system on the PELICAN- thus far the only one in >>>>> existence- relies on ballonets within the envelope. Any minute quantities >>>>> of gas that DOES escape would just escape into the low-pressure hull. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 2:47:36 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, I sucked those sophisticated eggs some time ago. So what is >>>>>> the cost of compression? Fridges do it so some spreadsheet jockey will >>>>>> know the score. Cold fusion works if you ain't worried about the >>>>>> electric >>>>>> bill. Elastic is prone to snap in prolonged use. Our grand plan to cure >>>>>> global warming and at least four other more important environmental >>>>>> disasters, sound in theory, may fall at the "hayperth" of tar level - >>>>>> not >>>>>> that hot tar sounds good for sealing hydrogen bags. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm watching a convalescent western, 'The Trail to Hope Rose'. It >>>>>> has Lou 'Hard Carbon Copy' Phillips and the 6 Million Dollar Man (now >>>>>> looking remarkably cheap) plus some Hope Sunshine surrogate actress. I >>>>>> couldn't enjoy it at all, if I didn't feel the presence of Gabby >>>>>> disapproving and sending me 'art house' appreciation of black rap at its >>>>>> blackest to keep me in Gagaland - though apparently she didn't turn up >>>>>> to >>>>>> do one with the dark rappers (Gaga not Gabby - though somehow this new >>>>>> phrase sounds wrong). Would your airship fleet have better television? >>>>>> RP >>>>>> would have us get the priorities right, after all/ >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 1:33:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You would never vent the hydrogen. But compress it back into storage >>>>>>> tanks that are able to handle hydrogen. Compressed it does not have >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> lifting power it is when it is expanded that you gain lifting power >>>>>>> exactly the same way as helium. . By recycling gas you can control >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> lifting ability.. for protection and safety you are looking at using >>>>>>> mutable gas bags. A sophisticated bunch of balloons. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 2:14 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What a saint you are Allan. Air ships don't make money and in terms >>>>>>> of business plans seem to be stuck in the hot-air model. Have you >>>>>>> given >>>>>>> much thought to the expansion-contraction processes of going up and >>>>>>> coming >>>>>>> down? I fell out with Hindenburg-Nemo when he issued the order to >>>>>>> 'vent >>>>>>> the hydrogen' while he was smoking his pipe. of course, these >>>>>>> technical >>>>>>> trivialities matter little in the great scheme to have enough of >>>>>>> Allan's >>>>>>> babies up in the atmosphere to cool the planet in shadow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, 23 March 2015 10:52:00 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is true.. it could be a very productive new industry. I know >>>>>>>> what i figured out is very patentable but i am not interested in the >>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>> it is more for the benefit of humanity. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:44 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The finest hour of hybrid technology. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 6:34:28 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Never thought of the solar cell idea..with the fire technology has >>>>>>>>> greatly improved since the German rigid airships. They used hydrogen >>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>> successfully. The US had the only source of helium know at the time. >>>>>>>>> With improved technology of today hydrogen can be handled safely. >>>>>>>>> . It also has greater lifting power than helium. >>>>>>>>> Using liquid metal batteries you would be able to store excess >>>>>>>>> power from the built in solar cells to provide power for propulsion >>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>> out the night.. as well as creating replacement hydrogen. . Making >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> truly self supporting.. a great benefit in crisis situations. . >>>>>>>>> It would be amazing seeing eco friendly shipping especially one >>>>>>>>> that does not use up fuel resources. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 5:02 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Air ships could be more or less self-sustaining. Lots of the >>>>>>>>> surface area could be solar panel and hydrogen and fuel could be made >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>> this power and water from clouds. We might double bag the hydrogen >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> helium or carbon dioxide bags. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 3:24:55 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chicken soup.. don't even need dentures.. >>>>>>>>>> Get well soon >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 11:35 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Heavy cold or 'flue here - feels like I never had an idea or the >>>>>>>>>> strength to type. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 March 2015 19:38:29 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Not really usually i wake up grab my phone and write the idea >>>>>>>>>>> down while it is fresh.. >>>>>>>>>>> You would have a hard time convincing me you have never woke up >>>>>>>>>>> with an idea in your head. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 8:18 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Much the same problem as coming back from RP's unconscious unity >>>>>>>>>>> Allan.. We could us electrodes, a drip feed and translate the >>>>>>>>>>> creative >>>>>>>>>>> brain waves. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 7:05:05 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Would be nice how do you record the idea with out waking up? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 8:03 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The trick might be becoming more productive without waking up. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 March 2015 13:21:17 UTC, Molly wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That happens frequently to me when I am working out a design >>>>>>>>>>>>> problem for an image or literary structure for a book. I think >>>>>>>>>>>>> the state of >>>>>>>>>>>>> consciousness while sleeping that is most conducive to creativity >>>>>>>>>>>>> is more >>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible than in waking life because the constraints of logic >>>>>>>>>>>>> are lifted. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 9:11:09 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This idea has been circulating in my head ever since i saw >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the skycat. After the java disaster it became even more ideal as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> carry cargo do not need a runway.. problems like terrorist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attacks can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be taken in stride with multi layered nitrogen filled gas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bags.. silk >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like fabric can repel bullets be absorbing the bullets energy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. hydrogen can be safely used as the lifting gas and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily available. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the airship could be of great benefit in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> disasters as well as air transport economy. They are much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> economical that cargo jets carrying cargo although not as fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do love it when the time space barrier is crossed and new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge is returned to our reality.. it is a neat feeling.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you are aware of what is happening. . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] <javascript:> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 1:38 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love mornings like that. I do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 2:15:51 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was awaken this morning understanding how to create a rigid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airship using a multi bag system and using hydrogen as the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifting gas. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That has been bugging me for years.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:>. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:>. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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