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-----Original Message----- From: archytas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen Not sure we can guarantee getting high enough for a parachute to deploy before we get that jumping feeling Andrew! Though all systems depending on hot air will be green for go, On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 8:08:12 AM UTC, andrew vecsey wrote: > > Count me in. I would love to come with all of you and go wherever the wind > blows. I will take my parachute with me so I can jump off when it gets too > chattery in the back. > > On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 11:37:32 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >> >> We could make a loop, Netherlands, UK, New York,Florida, India, >> Germany...take our time! >> >> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 6:32:29 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> It would easily make the journey. . With Neils idea of using solar >>> power it could have unlimited range.. a luxury liner in the sky. A small >>> version could be a sky yacht . Love to meet you. >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:05 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>> >>> Can we fly it from Michigan to the Netherlands? I will book my vacation >>> days now. >>> >>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 5:45:49 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>> >>>> Just occasionally i get an idea once in a while say an insight.. >>>> there are many that know much more than i do.. >>>> Sometimes I get lucky.. >>>> >>>> >>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:31 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>> >>>> Now I shall have to look elsewhere for the fount of all wisdom. >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 9:19:05 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Does I don't know count. I was only interested how to safely use >>>>> hydrogen. That is the real key to get it to airship to work as it gets >>>>> it >>>>> into the realm of practical. Oil and aviation industries will not like >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:01 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>> >>>>> Sounds very uplifting, now what about the cross-wind? >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 5:54:14 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Past experience tells me it is not really an original idea and the >>>>>> gas handling systems are in play already i am sure of that.. >>>>>> Part of the detracting part is helium as either the Arabs or the US >>>>>> has you by the short hairs neither choice is optimal. . Helium is >>>>>> expensive .. >>>>>> The problem with hydrogen is it will burn from anywhere 4% to 90+% >>>>>> air it is easy to say mix air hydrogen it burns.. that is the reason >>>>>> for >>>>>> using nitrogen atmospheric nitrogen has a specific gravity of 0.9723 >>>>>> and is easily obtained and prevents hydrogen from reaching the >>>>>> flammable range.. of course you need quiet a few gas bags to safely >>>>>> control lift no matter which lifting gas one uses.. helium is >>>>>> expensive and very controlled. . >>>>>> Hydrogen is going to seep through almost any type of expandable bag >>>>>> using a double bag you can retrieve the seepage for recycling if the >>>>>> double bags are contained inside a nitrogen soft filled bag you can >>>>>> easily avoid hydrogen from reaching a flammable state.. if in a >>>>>> emergency occurred you could safely vent the hydrogen from the top of >>>>>> your airship with the gas quickly rising. >>>>>> >>>>>> The specific gravity of Helium is 0.138 where as hydrogen is 0.0696 >>>>>> which gives hydrogen almost twice the lifting power for the same volume >>>>>> >>>>>> gas.. lifting power is what it is all about.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course neither the oil industry or aircraft industry are going >>>>>> to support the idea.. in reality they will do all they can discourage >>>>>> the development if modern airships. This becomes even so when you add >>>>>> solar panels to the mix.. especially since the development of being >>>>>> able to create flexible sheets on a printing press using the correct >>>>>> inks.. >>>>>> It becomes not difficult to visualize airships that are totally >>>>>> solar powered.. even available to separate the noble gasses needed. >>>>>> >>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 4:06 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>> >>>>>> Buoyant gases- such as Ammonia, Hydrogen, Methane, Helium, Nitrogen, >>>>>> etc. do not require liquidation in order to reduce lift, with the >>>>>> exception >>>>>> of Ammonia as a lift gas, due to the ease of doing just that. But >>>>>> Ammonia >>>>>> has only 40% the lift of Hydrogen, and is caustic. It’s been rejected as >>>>>> a >>>>>> lift gas, at least with current technologies. >>>>>> >>>>>> But I digress. Some actually do propose compression of the lift gas >>>>>> as a means of controlling lift- Aeros has even flown a full-sized >>>>>> airship >>>>>> that has done just that. It is one of their Helium advertizing airships, >>>>>> modified to house the COSH(Control Of Static Heaviness) system as a >>>>>> testbed >>>>>> for their new DARPA hybrid Zeppelin, the PELICAN. The Pelican itself is >>>>>> designed to be able to control lift in all modes of flight, through >>>>>> either >>>>>> compression of the Helium or heating the Helium. This does not require >>>>>> liquefaction for the very simple reason that the gases derive their >>>>>> buoyancy from being slightly less dense than the atmosphere, and all >>>>>> gases >>>>>> are very easily compressible, unlike water. It requires roughly as much >>>>>> pressure as a bicycle tire to completely negate the lift of Helium, for >>>>>> instance. The hull of a modern airship consists of composites of Kevlar, >>>>>> Tedlar, Mylar, Vectran, Nylon, and other coatings. It’s layered and >>>>>> almost >>>>>> completely impermeable; some hulls only lose 3% of their volume PER >>>>>> ANNUM. >>>>>> Secondly, the compression system on the PELICAN- thus far the only one >>>>>> in >>>>>> existence- relies on ballonets within the envelope. Any minute >>>>>> quantities >>>>>> of gas that DOES escape would just escape into the low-pressure hull. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 2:47:36 PM UTC, archytas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, I sucked those sophisticated eggs some time ago. So what is >>>>>>> the cost of compression? Fridges do it so some spreadsheet jockey will >>>>>>> know the score. Cold fusion works if you ain't worried about the >>>>>>> electric >>>>>>> bill. Elastic is prone to snap in prolonged use. Our grand plan to >>>>>>> cure >>>>>>> global warming and at least four other more important environmental >>>>>>> disasters, sound in theory, may fall at the "hayperth" of tar level - >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> that hot tar sounds good for sealing hydrogen bags. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm watching a convalescent western, 'The Trail to Hope Rose'. It >>>>>>> has Lou 'Hard Carbon Copy' Phillips and the 6 Million Dollar Man (now >>>>>>> looking remarkably cheap) plus some Hope Sunshine surrogate actress. I >>>>>>> couldn't enjoy it at all, if I didn't feel the presence of Gabby >>>>>>> disapproving and sending me 'art house' appreciation of black rap at >>>>>>> its >>>>>>> blackest to keep me in Gagaland - though apparently she didn't turn up >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> do one with the dark rappers (Gaga not Gabby - though somehow this new >>>>>>> phrase sounds wrong). Would your airship fleet have better television? >>>>>>> RP >>>>>>> would have us get the priorities right, after all/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 1:33:42 PM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You would never vent the hydrogen. But compress it back into >>>>>>>> storage tanks that are able to handle hydrogen. Compressed it does >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> have the lifting power it is when it is expanded that you gain lifting >>>>>>>> power exactly the same way as helium. . By recycling gas you can >>>>>>>> control your lifting ability.. for protection and safety you are >>>>>>>> looking at using mutable gas bags. A sophisticated bunch of balloons. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 2:14 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What a saint you are Allan. Air ships don't make money and in >>>>>>>> terms of business plans seem to be stuck in the hot-air model. Have >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> given much thought to the expansion-contraction processes of going up >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> coming down? I fell out with Hindenburg-Nemo when he issued the order >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> 'vent the hydrogen' while he was smoking his pipe. of course, these >>>>>>>> technical trivialities matter little in the great scheme to have >>>>>>>> enough of >>>>>>>> Allan's babies up in the atmosphere to cool the planet in shadow. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, 23 March 2015 10:52:00 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That is true.. it could be a very productive new industry. I know >>>>>>>>> what i figured out is very patentable but i am not interested in the >>>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>>> it is more for the benefit of humanity. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 11:44 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The finest hour of hybrid technology. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 6:34:28 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Never thought of the solar cell idea..with the fire technology >>>>>>>>>> has greatly improved since the German rigid airships. They used >>>>>>>>>> hydrogen >>>>>>>>>> very successfully. The US had the only source of helium know at the >>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>> With improved technology of today hydrogen can be handled >>>>>>>>>> safely. . It also has greater lifting power than helium. >>>>>>>>>> Using liquid metal batteries you would be able to store excess >>>>>>>>>> power from the built in solar cells to provide power for propulsion >>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>> out the night.. as well as creating replacement hydrogen. . Making >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> truly self supporting.. a great benefit in crisis situations. . >>>>>>>>>> It would be amazing seeing eco friendly shipping especially one >>>>>>>>>> that does not use up fuel resources. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 5:02 AM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Air ships could be more or less self-sustaining. Lots of the >>>>>>>>>> surface area could be solar panel and hydrogen and fuel could be >>>>>>>>>> made from >>>>>>>>>> this power and water from clouds. We might double bag the hydrogen >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> helium or carbon dioxide bags. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 3:24:55 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chicken soup.. don't even need dentures.. >>>>>>>>>>> Get well soon >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 11:35 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Heavy cold or 'flue here - feels like I never had an idea or the >>>>>>>>>>> strength to type. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 March 2015 19:38:29 UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Not really usually i wake up grab my phone and write the idea >>>>>>>>>>>> down while it is fresh.. >>>>>>>>>>>> You would have a hard time convincing me you have never woke up >>>>>>>>>>>> with an idea in your head. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 8:18 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Much the same problem as coming back from RP's unconscious >>>>>>>>>>>> unity Allan.. We could us electrodes, a drip feed and translate >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> creative brain waves. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 7:05:05 PM UTC, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Would be nice how do you record the idea with out waking up? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 8:03 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The trick might be becoming more productive without waking up. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 22 March 2015 13:21:17 UTC, Molly wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That happens frequently to me when I am working out a design >>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem for an image or literary structure for a book. I think >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the state of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> consciousness while sleeping that is most conducive to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> creativity is more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible than in waking life because the constraints of logic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are lifted. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 9:11:09 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This idea has been circulating in my head ever since i saw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the skycat. After the java disaster it became even more ideal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as it can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> carry cargo do not need a runway.. problems like terrorist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attacks can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be taken in stride with multi layered nitrogen filled gas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bags.. silk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like fabric can repel bullets be absorbing the bullets energy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .. hydrogen can be safely used as the lifting gas and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily available. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that the airship could be of great benefit in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disasters as well as air transport economy. They are much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economical that cargo jets carrying cargo although not as fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do love it when the time space barrier is crossed and new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge is returned to our reality.. it is a neat feeling.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> especially >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you are aware of what is happening. . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 1:38 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Rigid airships and hydrogen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I love mornings like that. I do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 2:15:51 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was awaken this morning understanding how to create a rigid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> airship using a multi bag system and using hydrogen as the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lifting gas. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That has been bugging me for years.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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