Neutrality never quite worked for Belgium, but as a personal construct it can be brave enough. The Plymouth Brethren and Amish can bottle out, but not the anarchist. Generally, Andrew is right here, but I feel a bit queasy. War should tell us something on how bullshit economics is, otherwise Germany and Japan would still be ashes. I suppose there is a certain positive for some in seeing the male flower of youth cut down and old farts left behind having prettier, more fertile girls. Some old dears had some very ear-burning things to say about their war experience, especially the rural posh.
On Wednesday, 25 March 2015 21:50:39 UTC, andrew vecsey wrote: > > Neutrality kept Switzerland out of fighting wars. Wars are immoral. Judges > in order to do their job right have to remain neutral. Parents should as > well remain neutral. Staying neutral takes more bravery than taking sides. > As an example, some countries and some people find homosexuality immoral. > In those situations, it takes courage to take a neutral stand regarding > homosexuals. Neutrality shows fearless and unconditional respect.Who is to > say what is moral and what is not. And something regarded as morally > correct at one time can be regarded as immorally wrong at another time. > > On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 9:03:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Neutrality is afraid of taking a position. A cowards way out.. how now >> to stand up for what is morally correct.. >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 8:21 PM >> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for? >> >> I think that all of us agree that the negative consequences of war far >> out weight any of the few positive consequences. >> The positive consequences of war can be realized by other means, >> especially in the modern times that we live in.: >> 1. The advance of knowledge and technology can be realized by >> universities and government and private projects with monetary and merit >> rewards. >> 2. People can mix their cultures, knowledge and genes via tourism and >> exchange projects and the internet. >> 3. Protection against aggressors can be attempted by diplomacy and >> sanctions. >> 4. Over population can be reduced by education, family planing and >> contraception. >> 5. We can realize that the world has become a lot smaller and that the >> brotherhood of man has become a lot clearer. We all have a common enemy in >> that if nature is exploited further we are all threatened. If you love your >> enemies, then you will not have any. >> >> Switzerland has a lot to teach the world in avoiding wars. >> On a political level, the keys to this are neutrality and direct >> democracy. >> On a personal level, the keys are respect, tolerance, appreciation of >> diversity, >> >> Examples are: >> If a part of a canton wants to separate, then accept that fact and let >> them separate like demonstrated by Jura a few years ago. >> Small is beautiful concept.as demonstrated by semi autonomy of the >> cantons and the refusal to join Euro. >> >> On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 12:27:21 PM UTC+1, andrew vecsey wrote: >>> >>> Very interesting question you pose Molly. >>> Of course it is very easy to see the many negative consequences to war, >>> which seems to be a part of human nature. I like to believe that there is >>> always 2 sides to everything - positive and negative. War with weapons and >>> fighting with words have some common ground, like you suggest. Being an >>> aggressor in a war and being a bully also share common ground. >>> >>> The positive consequences of bullying that I can think of are: >>> 1. It can make you stronger when you are bullied. >>> 2. It shows you who your friends are who come to your aid if you are >>> bullied. >>> 3. It allows you to show your friendship by coming to the aid of your >>> friends who are bullied. >>> 4. It allows you to make friends by coming to the aid of strangers who >>> are bullied. >>> 5. You can learn from it so that you do not bully others yourself. >>> >>> The positive consequences of war that I can think of are much more >>> difficult to spot of course: >>> 1. It advances knowledge and technology that can be useful in times of >>> peace. >>> 2. It allows people to mix their cultures, knowledge and genes. >>> 3. It can protect your countrymen and family against aggressors. >>> 4. Like natural disasters like floods. earthquakes, fires and >>> epidemics,it can be used to counteract over population. >>> 5. We can learn from it. If you love your enemies, like Jesus is claimed >>> to have said, then you will not have any. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 12:03:34 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>>> >>>> Howard Zinn, http://howardzinn.org/ historian, author, professor, >>>> playwright, and activist, whose life’s work focused on a wide range of >>>> issues including race, class, war, and history, and touched the lives of >>>> countless people, said "war itself is the enemy of the human race" >>>> http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP <http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP> >>>> >>>> We go to war in a variety of ways, big to small. daily (some of us), in >>>> interpersonal ways, and over decades, as the human race. 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