Vegan. Now that in your case i would have a difficult  time visualizing 

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From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
To: Minds-Eye <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 11:40 PM
Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?

Hmmm...vegans?

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 9:55 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:

> Consider it done Chris.  We have some room on the evil list too.  Any
> suggestions?
>
>
> On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 5:33:28 PM UTC+1, Chris Jenkins wrote:
>>
>> A week in Clearwater is a prize, not a punishment! I humbly request to be
>> placed back on the weird list, though.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 6:11 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I've removed you from my weird list Chris, moving you to 'modern
>>> iconoclast' with an 'invite to parties' star.  The only higher plane is
>>> 'brings more beer than she drinks and brings a sister not an alter'.  I
>>> shall have one of the group imps admonish the Heretic for his error.  The
>>> normal sanction would be a week in Clearwater, but he is a repeat offender
>>> and may need two weeks or the full half-hour tour of Bolton architecture.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 7:02:52 PM UTC+1, Chris Jenkins wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's also accurate. ;)
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 1:59 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sorry. I was informed  of my error in the time line.. you were in
>>>>> charged when joined ME..  the weird fellow was meant  as humorous. .
>>>>>
>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: Minds-Eye <[email protected]>
>>>>> Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 7:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?
>>>>>
>>>>> No, Craig is the weird fellow that started the group. I'm just the one
>>>>> who accepted the mantle when he left.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 2:24 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris is the weird fellow that started the ME group..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: James Lynch <[email protected]>
>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 1:39 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Dance like a butterfly sting like a bee' fair lady. Silence feels
>>>>>> like cowardice to me Allan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey Tony, glad to hear Andrew and Fran too! Who's this Chris fellow?
>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2015 6:10 PM, "Gabby Thiede" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't let yourself get distracted, Allan! I am the evil bitch here!
>>>>>>> You need to fight with me!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch, 25. März 2015 schrieb :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you are so neutral why are you promoting the benefits of war..
>>>>>>>> Are you for war or against war..  your lip flapping is anything but
>>>>>>>> neutral. It does not take bravery to be neutral but rather cowardice. .
>>>>>>>> Those wanting to profit from war while hiding. .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not like .. i have seen the harm it does and there is no
>>>>>>>> neutrality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 10:50 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good
>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Neutrality kept Switzerland out of fighting wars. Wars are immoral.
>>>>>>>> Judges in order to do  their job right have to remain neutral. Parents
>>>>>>>> should as well remain neutral. Staying neutral takes more bravery than
>>>>>>>> taking sides. As an example, some countries and some people find
>>>>>>>> homosexuality immoral. In those situations, it takes courage to take a
>>>>>>>> neutral stand regarding homosexuals. Neutrality shows fearless and
>>>>>>>> unconditional respect.Who is to say what is moral and what is not. And
>>>>>>>> something regarded as morally correct at one time  can be regarded as
>>>>>>>> immorally wrong at another time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 9:03:31 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Neutrality is afraid  of taking a position.  A cowards way out..
>>>>>>>>> how now to stand up for what is morally correct..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: andrew vecsey <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 8:21 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think that all of us agree that the negative consequences of war
>>>>>>>>> far out weight any of the few positive consequences.
>>>>>>>>> The positive consequences of war can be realized by other means,
>>>>>>>>> especially in the modern times that we live in.:
>>>>>>>>> 1. The advance of knowledge and technology can be realized by
>>>>>>>>> universities and government and private projects with monetary and 
>>>>>>>>> merit
>>>>>>>>> rewards.
>>>>>>>>> 2. People can mix their cultures, knowledge and genes via tourism
>>>>>>>>> and exchange projects and the internet.
>>>>>>>>> 3. Protection against aggressors can be attempted by diplomacy and
>>>>>>>>> sanctions.
>>>>>>>>> 4. Over population can be reduced by education, family planing and
>>>>>>>>> contraception.
>>>>>>>>> 5. We can realize that the world has become a lot smaller and that
>>>>>>>>> the brotherhood of man has become a lot clearer. We all have a common 
>>>>>>>>> enemy
>>>>>>>>> in that if nature is exploited further we are all threatened. If you 
>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>> your enemies, then you will not have any.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Switzerland has a lot to teach the world in avoiding wars.
>>>>>>>>> On a political level, the keys to this are neutrality and direct
>>>>>>>>> democracy.
>>>>>>>>> On a personal level, the keys are respect, tolerance, appreciation
>>>>>>>>> of diversity,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Examples are:
>>>>>>>>> If a part of a canton wants to separate, then accept that fact and
>>>>>>>>> let them separate like demonstrated by Jura a few years ago.
>>>>>>>>> Small is beautiful concept.as demonstrated by semi autonomy of
>>>>>>>>> the cantons and the refusal to join Euro.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 25, 2015 at 12:27:21 PM UTC+1, andrew vecsey
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting question you pose Molly.
>>>>>>>>>> Of course it is very easy to see the many negative consequences
>>>>>>>>>> to war, which seems to be a part of human nature. I like to believe 
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> there is always 2 sides to everything - positive and negative. War 
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> weapons and fighting with words have some common ground, like you 
>>>>>>>>>> suggest.
>>>>>>>>>> Being an aggressor in a war and being a bully also share common 
>>>>>>>>>> ground.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The positive consequences of bullying that I can think of are:
>>>>>>>>>> 1. It can make you stronger when you are bullied.
>>>>>>>>>> 2. It shows you who your friends are who come to your aid if you
>>>>>>>>>> are bullied.
>>>>>>>>>> 3. It allows you to show your friendship by coming to the aid of
>>>>>>>>>> your friends who are bullied.
>>>>>>>>>> 4. It allows you to make friends by coming to the aid of
>>>>>>>>>> strangers who are bullied.
>>>>>>>>>> 5. You can learn from it so that you do not bully others
>>>>>>>>>> yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The positive consequences of war that I can think of are much
>>>>>>>>>> more difficult to spot of course:
>>>>>>>>>> 1. It advances knowledge and technology that can be useful in
>>>>>>>>>> times of peace.
>>>>>>>>>> 2. It allows people to mix their cultures, knowledge and genes.
>>>>>>>>>> 3. It can protect your countrymen and family against aggressors.
>>>>>>>>>> 4. Like natural disasters like floods. earthquakes, fires and
>>>>>>>>>> epidemics,it can be used to counteract over population.
>>>>>>>>>> 5. We can learn from it. If you love your enemies, like Jesus is
>>>>>>>>>> claimed to have said, then you will not have any.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 24, 2015 at 12:03:34 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Howard Zinn, http://howardzinn.org/ historian, author,
>>>>>>>>>>> professor, playwright, and activist, whose life’s work focused on a 
>>>>>>>>>>> wide
>>>>>>>>>>> range of issues including race, class, war, and history, and 
>>>>>>>>>>> touched the
>>>>>>>>>>> lives of countless people, said "war itself is the enemy of the
>>>>>>>>>>> human race" http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP <http://bit.ly/1FwyDUP>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We go to war in a variety of ways, big to small. daily (some of
>>>>>>>>>>> us), in interpersonal ways, and over decades, as the human race. 
>>>>>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>>>>>>>
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