We may have been closer to Nous sommes tous Gabbie than we know Allan - almost had to switch myself on and off this morning to make sure I hadn't become one of her alters. She put so much effort in I thought she must be some kind of crooked scheme going, but con men usually try and use offered exchanges of humour to manipulate. I suspect most people don't really empathise much beyond genetic imprinting and sex. Odd stuff.
On Friday, March 27, 2015 at 5:44:31 AM UTC, Allan Heretic wrote: > > I think the problem lies in people having narcissistic personality > disorder. The people involved know who they are and about their problem . > . Sadly they have no desire to change. > > This probably the problem with a lot of groups not just ours. This > narcissistic people drive away quality people as they have no desire to put > up with them. > > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 1:00 AM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for? > > Many google groups are effectively dead. You have to wonder, in front of > undergraduates, whether anyone does rational discourse at all. Hardly any > of them will be interested in learning how to work things out for > themselves and trying to give them the opportunity is something resisted > very hard. We run feedback exercises, but in staff development events the > chances of it all starting with a 10 second biopic in which you learn the > French teacher next to you teaches French are remarkably high. > > I'm seriously interested in how free speech is stopped. This is connected > with Molly's question in this thread. The bickering, personation, alters, > slagging, barking and the rest look like scenes from British secondary > schools - and this is where I would judge most knowledge content expressed > over the years. Of course, I can hear the old fart speaking this. The > jaded lecturer who cast pearls before swine now sits in condescension on > all the teecher mincers who thought they were smarter and cooler than Bart > Simpson, grown to druggie failure as adults. I know the thinking in this > is not good enough, partly because I know a huge amount taught in schools > and universities is simply crap - though not quite in the way the kids > themselves feel this. > > My approach has been to look at the "secret pleasures of bureaucracy". > Slagging Gabby, for instance, is very easy because she even pisses off her > (?) own alters - yet what are the "secret pleasures" of such engagement? > The possibilities are legion and disturbing - yet what could be more > disturbing of the mannered society in which many of our kids can't remember > what they did in school yesterday and any adults I've polled on general and > scientific understanding over 30 years live in cloud cuckoo land. One can > start a lecture by such polling and a comparison of human knowledge with > the performance of chimpanzees on the same multiple choice tests. The same > chimps are turning up by the end of the module too. > > If we wanted to, we could offer "her (?)" as slagging - hinting "she" is, > say, a cross-dresser (I know a few and wouldn't want to upset most of them > - slag +) etc. Few seem to get that decent people can be very "impolite" > in actual friendship and a lot of the mannered stuff covers appalling > war-like hostility and lies about in our society without real help. Most > murders and brutality have such pathetic "origins" I can barely relate the > tales without people thinking I'm making them up. Anthropology tells > similar tales. In the Balkans and Cyprus you can find communities with > inter-marriage, shared wealth and friendships one day, killing each other > the next. Genocides are not uncommon and Jews are not over-often the > victims (think how impossible this debate is and the turds who would make > me a holocaust denier). I suspect "secret pleasures" in hating other > people, even that the relevant traumas may be generations old. > > My guess has long been that most free speech can't start because people > get used to living without knowledge because it is much easier to cheat > following fashion or modelling on role. I'd love to get into discussion of > such and to an extent can with books and papers (there is a 'fashion' > theory of learning and exploitation). What we need to imagine is why > various clowns and barkers, those gossiping loudly at the back or even > those good adaptive children who want to know which page of the textbook to > copy, want to stop us having our free speech. > > On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 10:50:26 PM UTCes, archytas wrote: >> >> I was just thinking I don't go around chasing the tail pipes of north >> bound trams, when the modern art of MOMA dawned on me. >> >> On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 4:07:19 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >>> >>> Neil, I wish I could sculpt with metal to the degree you sculpt with >>> words! I would have been in MOMA years ago. >>> >>> On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>> >>>> I was impressed when I thought she was a bot. One had to admire that >>>> almost human quality. Now we know she's just a daft old bat addicted to >>>> white board wipe vapour or a runaway from the Rocky Horror Show, the >>>> disappointment would be intense if we'd ever cared for substrate dependant >>>> mind fetish. >>>> >>>> -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
