I think the problem lies in people having narcissistic personality disorder. The people involved know who they are and about their problem . . Sadly they have no desire to change.
This probably the problem with a lot of groups not just ours. This narcissistic people drive away quality people as they have no desire to put up with them. تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others -----Original Message----- From: archytas <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 1:00 AM Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: War, good god y'all, what is it good for? Many google groups are effectively dead. You have to wonder, in front of undergraduates, whether anyone does rational discourse at all. Hardly any of them will be interested in learning how to work things out for themselves and trying to give them the opportunity is something resisted very hard. We run feedback exercises, but in staff development events the chances of it all starting with a 10 second biopic in which you learn the French teacher next to you teaches French are remarkably high. I'm seriously interested in how free speech is stopped. This is connected with Molly's question in this thread. The bickering, personation, alters, slagging, barking and the rest look like scenes from British secondary schools - and this is where I would judge most knowledge content expressed over the years. Of course, I can hear the old fart speaking this. The jaded lecturer who cast pearls before swine now sits in condescension on all the teecher mincers who thought they were smarter and cooler than Bart Simpson, grown to druggie failure as adults. I know the thinking in this is not good enough, partly because I know a huge amount taught in schools and universities is simply crap - though not quite in the way the kids themselves feel this. My approach has been to look at the "secret pleasures of bureaucracy". Slagging Gabby, for instance, is very easy because she even pisses off her (?) own alters - yet what are the "secret pleasures" of such engagement? The possibilities are legion and disturbing - yet what could be more disturbing of the mannered society in which many of our kids can't remember what they did in school yesterday and any adults I've polled on general and scientific understanding over 30 years live in cloud cuckoo land. One can start a lecture by such polling and a comparison of human knowledge with the performance of chimpanzees on the same multiple choice tests. The same chimps are turning up by the end of the module too. If we wanted to, we could offer "her (?)" as slagging - hinting "she" is, say, a cross-dresser (I know a few and wouldn't want to upset most of them - slag +) etc. Few seem to get that decent people can be very "impolite" in actual friendship and a lot of the mannered stuff covers appalling war-like hostility and lies about in our society without real help. Most murders and brutality have such pathetic "origins" I can barely relate the tales without people thinking I'm making them up. Anthropology tells similar tales. In the Balkans and Cyprus you can find communities with inter-marriage, shared wealth and friendships one day, killing each other the next. Genocides are not uncommon and Jews are not over-often the victims (think how impossible this debate is and the turds who would make me a holocaust denier). I suspect "secret pleasures" in hating other people, even that the relevant traumas may be generations old. My guess has long been that most free speech can't start because people get used to living without knowledge because it is much easier to cheat following fashion or modelling on role. I'd love to get into discussion of such and to an extent can with books and papers (there is a 'fashion' theory of learning and exploitation). What we need to imagine is why various clowns and barkers, those gossiping loudly at the back or even those good adaptive children who want to know which page of the textbook to copy, want to stop us having our free speech. On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 10:50:26 PM UTCes, archytas wrote: > > I was just thinking I don't go around chasing the tail pipes of north > bound trams, when the modern art of MOMA dawned on me. > > On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 4:07:19 PM UTC, facilitator wrote: >> >> Neil, I wish I could sculpt with metal to the degree you sculpt with >> words! I would have been in MOMA years ago. >> >> On Thursday, March 26, 2015 at 12:01:31 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>> >>> I was impressed when I thought she was a bot. One had to admire that >>> almost human quality. Now we know she's just a daft old bat addicted to >>> white board wipe vapour or a runaway from the Rocky Horror Show, the >>> disappointment would be intense if we'd ever cared for substrate dependant >>> mind fetish. >>> >>> -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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