Mud and Arab coffee probably have more water than you Allan, but I don't
drink them!
On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 4:46:14 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>
> Well if you like water you already like 72% of me. (",)
>
> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: archytas <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time
>
> Clarity is a strange business. The language of being clear, resembling
> being bleached or de-loused in Scientology, dominates much of social
> research in needing to be pre-suppositionless, not to contaminate the
> research situation and hundreds of other terms such as 'hermeneutics
> guarantees truth'. This is all to be done by 'objects' that carry more
> other organisms around with them than cells with their own DNA.
>
> Screws change directions on boats. This may be what saves the boat from
> ending-up on the rocks.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 1:14:04 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>
>> Okay no soul just the eternal mind. .
>> Sorry I screwed things up for you
>> Neil what was this beginning of clarity?
>>
>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 2:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time
>>
>> I'm not suggesting any of us are Scientologists in any direct sense.
>> Though when we talk of rationality, clarity and other impossible
>> ideal-types forgetting they are ideals, we share something with such
>> lunacy. Of course, it isn't long before Allan screws up any chance of
>> clarity, saving ourselves from ourselves with his up-the-sleeve soul
>> forever-undefined-curing-all.
>>
>> I rather liked the idea that whatever we did was accessible to other
>> people, whatever 'condition' they were in.
>>
>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:12:41 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>>>
>>> I suppose that's where the "father, forgive them for they know not what
>>> they do" advise comes in Neil. Even with people motivated by criminal
>>> intent, they don't really understand the magnificence of the life they've
>>> been given and how they squander it. I grew weary of letting the ills of
>>> humanity upset me log ago and have mostly let go of it, although
>>> occasionally fall back into dismay over it. That dismay interferes with my
>>> reverent feelings for life's wonders, so, eventually, I can again see the
>>> wisdom in letting go.
>>>
>>> And even though, when in the throes of a virus, it is hard to remember
>>> the wonder, I do manage to find it every day. Even in a post that says
>>> "human society has little in it I would choose," because it allows me a
>>> kindred spirit. There is more to life than what human society holds and
>>> although at times it is difficult to see deeper or beyond, once done, it
>>> also seems so simple to do.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 3:30:16 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Time is still a question.. but i do see an interconnection.. and also
>>>> Molly's friends.. RP sent me an email saying he wants back in.
>>>>
>>>> I have friends who were involved with scientology. . They do a lot of
>>>> brain washing. And bad creating lots of problems .. from what the movie
>>>> was saying is time is a perspective .. it seems to be a series of markers
>>>> of the past ~ present .
>>>>
>>>> The present moment is elusive as as as soon as you read this it is
>>>> already past.. as for the soul how does time interconnect with economics?
>>>> That is your speciality. . I always thought that when you look at from
>>>> different perspectives (booooo!) it helps in expanding and enlighting the
>>>> concepts escaping from the lectures. .
>>>> The effect if time on present day economic practice.. perfect for
>>>> perspective time snapshots..
>>>>
>>>> lol. Where is the new camp ground?
>>>>
>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 4:06 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time
>>>>
>>>> Allan's brief mention of time, before scuttling back into his
>>>> soul-shell, might have something in it. There is only so much time one
>>>> can
>>>> lend to various ventures. I have developed an interest in the more honest
>>>> creatures of this earth and find it easy to put time in there. I have
>>>> been
>>>> led (I hope led) to a view that human society is severely disabled and has
>>>> little in it I would choose.
>>>>
>>>> "Scientology" is both a criminal organisation (an interesting in that
>>>> we struggle to treat it as such) and a glaring example of wider, crude
>>>> religious practices everywhere. I fancy what most people have assumed to
>>>> be rationality over the years is, in fact, something similarly crude and
>>>> more of medieval time than anything modern.
>>>>
>>>> We should upsticks Molly.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:13:45 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Scientology is one of those deadly Kool Aid cults with an enormous
>>>>> amount of money behind the effort. It took a small bit of Hermetic
>>>>> philosophy, as old as written history, added methods of control and
>>>>> brainwashing, threw in shunning and voila, you have something worth
>>>>> grabbing your children and your assets and running at least a thousand
>>>>> miles to get away from (Katie Holmes.
>>>>> Having its roots in Hermetic philosophy legitimizes it to its
>>>>> constituents because these same concepts have been echoed throughout the
>>>>> ages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure where you stand on the concept of soul, Neil. My biggest
>>>>> worry for this group is that it is wobbling on a failing platform that
>>>>> leaves it open to wackos and trolls. this makes it hard for a small group
>>>>> dialogue to survive. Maybe it is too boring without a bundle of alters of
>>>>> one deeply disturbed person constantly arguing with themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not really surprising time in this group has been so medieval.
>>>>>> Rationality has been conflated with morality, thinking with
>>>>>> spirituality
>>>>>> (very Descartes) and legitimation with the supernatural. Some of the
>>>>>> action hasn't been that distanced from Scientology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 4:29:21 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love always creats a special bond between souls.. you an I both know
>>>>>>> souls are eternal she is doing what she needs. All I can say is for her
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> follow her soul.. the soul can find the path if given a chance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 4:54 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a dear friend whose husband languishes in the hospital right
>>>>>>> now in his last days on earth. She holds his hand and wonders, as we
>>>>>>> all do
>>>>>>> during times like these, about the "time" we are given in this life
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> those we love. Sometimes, it seems to be cut too short and I have to
>>>>>>> wonder
>>>>>>> if this isn't the workings of soul, as we are connected there eternally
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> those we love most.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 6:32:05 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Love watching the sun rise.. sailing creates strange perspectives.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:15 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I stop watching the clock, sunrise and sunset still give a
>>>>>>>> pace of time to my day. The seasons give a broader pace. We age in
>>>>>>>> time. We
>>>>>>>> measure change with time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 2:35:15 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Back in my younger days the book that gave the value of cars was
>>>>>>>>> actually blue. Hence the name..
>>>>>>>>> See Tony even I can take leaps forward into reality..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lol. (",)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 8:25 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds really deep Tony - maybe we should leave it buried?
>>>>>>>>> Reality has taken a leap forward with Allan recognising a book plug
>>>>>>>>> as a
>>>>>>>>> book plug. Soon he will be able to tell us a blue book is blue
>>>>>>>>> (which it
>>>>>>>>> isn't). We don't know there is a reality. There is a reality
>>>>>>>>> hypothesis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Get real people!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 5:33:19 PM UTC+1, facilitator wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Time is an abstraction, a non quantifiable human invention used
>>>>>>>>>> for measurement. Said more simply, it is not the substance but the
>>>>>>>>>> flask.
>>>>>>>>>> Outside of human conjecture time does not exist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 12:25:25 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I did watch the movie. Interesting reminded me of a book
>>>>>>>>>>> promotion. . And we actually have heard the same logic from RP
>>>>>>>>>>> using a
>>>>>>>>>>> Hindu God.. did not agree with that argument either.
>>>>>>>>>>> In the end there was a promotion for his book.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He gets into a lot of Einstein concepts on time.. listening to
>>>>>>>>>>> him and the other program. Time is evasive and a matter of
>>>>>>>>>>> perspective. A
>>>>>>>>>>> perspective unique to each person. . The one thing apparently
>>>>>>>>>>> physics can
>>>>>>>>>>> not prove is the exsistance if time. . Unlike the conclusions
>>>>>>>>>>> people these
>>>>>>>>>>> people want to jump to..
>>>>>>>>>>> It would seem to me that all our souls are responsible for is
>>>>>>>>>>> the perspective known by the unique soul inside the reality of
>>>>>>>>>>> non-time
>>>>>>>>>>> ¿known? to exist within the reality of time..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which gets back to the original question just what the heck is
>>>>>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Time
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This was in my mailbox (interestingly enough)
>>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/H1WfFkp4puw <https://youtu.be/H1WfFkp4puw>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 4:03:34 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just what the heck is time. I always thouhght of it as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> constant.. only to find it is a veriable .. unlike other
>>>>>>>>>>>> veriables..
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just what the heck is ¿Time?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
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