My throat and sinuses hurt so much right now tea is a welcome friend. Otherwise, I prefer coffee, but only in the morning. I like my sleep too much.
On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:25:38 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: > > My coffee machine can be used to make a great tea. Preferance? > > تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين > Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others > > -----Original Message----- > From: archytas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 6:14 PM > Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time > > Mud and Arab coffee probably have more water than you Allan, but I don't > drink them! > > On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 4:46:14 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >> >> Well if you like water you already like 72% of me. (",) >> >> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: archytas <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 3:04 PM >> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >> >> Clarity is a strange business. The language of being clear, resembling >> being bleached or de-loused in Scientology, dominates much of social >> research in needing to be pre-suppositionless, not to contaminate the >> research situation and hundreds of other terms such as 'hermeneutics >> guarantees truth'. This is all to be done by 'objects' that carry more >> other organisms around with them than cells with their own DNA. >> >> Screws change directions on boats. This may be what saves the boat from >> ending-up on the rocks. >> >> >> >> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 1:14:04 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>> >>> Okay no soul just the eternal mind. . >>> Sorry I screwed things up for you >>> Neil what was this beginning of clarity? >>> >>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 2:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>> >>> I'm not suggesting any of us are Scientologists in any direct sense. >>> Though when we talk of rationality, clarity and other impossible >>> ideal-types forgetting they are ideals, we share something with such >>> lunacy. Of course, it isn't long before Allan screws up any chance of >>> clarity, saving ourselves from ourselves with his up-the-sleeve soul >>> forever-undefined-curing-all. >>> >>> I rather liked the idea that whatever we did was accessible to other >>> people, whatever 'condition' they were in. >>> >>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:12:41 PM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>>> >>>> I suppose that's where the "father, forgive them for they know not what >>>> they do" advise comes in Neil. Even with people motivated by criminal >>>> intent, they don't really understand the magnificence of the life they've >>>> been given and how they squander it. I grew weary of letting the ills of >>>> humanity upset me log ago and have mostly let go of it, although >>>> occasionally fall back into dismay over it. That dismay interferes with my >>>> reverent feelings for life's wonders, so, eventually, I can again see the >>>> wisdom in letting go. >>>> >>>> And even though, when in the throes of a virus, it is hard to remember >>>> the wonder, I do manage to find it every day. Even in a post that says >>>> "human society has little in it I would choose," because it allows me a >>>> kindred spirit. There is more to life than what human society holds and >>>> although at times it is difficult to see deeper or beyond, once done, it >>>> also seems so simple to do. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 3:30:16 AM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Time is still a question.. but i do see an interconnection.. and >>>>> also Molly's friends.. RP sent me an email saying he wants back in. >>>>> >>>>> I have friends who were involved with scientology. . They do a lot of >>>>> brain washing. And bad creating lots of problems .. from what the movie >>>>> was saying is time is a perspective .. it seems to be a series of >>>>> markers >>>>> of the past ~ present . >>>>> >>>>> The present moment is elusive as as as soon as you read this it is >>>>> already past.. as for the soul how does time interconnect with >>>>> economics? >>>>> That is your speciality. . I always thought that when you look at from >>>>> different perspectives (booooo!) it helps in expanding and enlighting >>>>> the >>>>> concepts escaping from the lectures. . >>>>> The effect if time on present day economic practice.. perfect for >>>>> perspective time snapshots.. >>>>> >>>>> lol. Where is the new camp ground? >>>>> >>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 4:06 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>> >>>>> Allan's brief mention of time, before scuttling back into his >>>>> soul-shell, might have something in it. There is only so much time one >>>>> can >>>>> lend to various ventures. I have developed an interest in the more >>>>> honest >>>>> creatures of this earth and find it easy to put time in there. I have >>>>> been >>>>> led (I hope led) to a view that human society is severely disabled and >>>>> has >>>>> little in it I would choose. >>>>> >>>>> "Scientology" is both a criminal organisation (an interesting in that >>>>> we struggle to treat it as such) and a glaring example of wider, crude >>>>> religious practices everywhere. I fancy what most people have assumed to >>>>> be rationality over the years is, in fact, something similarly crude and >>>>> more of medieval time than anything modern. >>>>> >>>>> We should upsticks Molly. >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 12:13:45 AM UTC+1, Molly wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Scientology is one of those deadly Kool Aid cults with an enormous >>>>>> amount of money behind the effort. It took a small bit of Hermetic >>>>>> philosophy, as old as written history, added methods of control and >>>>>> brainwashing, threw in shunning and voila, you have something worth >>>>>> grabbing your children and your assets and running at least a thousand >>>>>> miles to get away from (Katie Holmes. >>>>>> Having its roots in Hermetic philosophy legitimizes it to its >>>>>> constituents because these same concepts have been echoed throughout the >>>>>> ages. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not sure where you stand on the concept of soul, Neil. My biggest >>>>>> worry for this group is that it is wobbling on a failing platform that >>>>>> leaves it open to wackos and trolls. this makes it hard for a small >>>>>> group >>>>>> dialogue to survive. Maybe it is too boring without a bundle of alters >>>>>> of >>>>>> one deeply disturbed person constantly arguing with themselves. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-4, archytas wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's not really surprising time in this group has been so medieval. >>>>>>> Rationality has been conflated with morality, thinking with >>>>>>> spirituality >>>>>>> (very Descartes) and legitimation with the supernatural. Some of the >>>>>>> action hasn't been that distanced from Scientology. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Saturday, April 18, 2015 at 4:29:21 PM UTC+1, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Love always creats a special bond between souls.. you an I both >>>>>>>> know souls are eternal she is doing what she needs. All I can say is >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> her to follow her soul.. the soul can find the path if given a chance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 4:54 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a dear friend whose husband languishes in the hospital right >>>>>>>> now in his last days on earth. She holds his hand and wonders, as we >>>>>>>> all do >>>>>>>> during times like these, about the "time" we are given in this life >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> those we love. Sometimes, it seems to be cut too short and I have to >>>>>>>> wonder >>>>>>>> if this isn't the workings of soul, as we are connected there >>>>>>>> eternally to >>>>>>>> those we love most. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 6:32:05 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Love watching the sun rise.. sailing creates strange perspectives. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 12:15 AM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When I stop watching the clock, sunrise and sunset still give a >>>>>>>>> pace of time to my day. The seasons give a broader pace. We age in >>>>>>>>> time. We >>>>>>>>> measure change with time. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 2:35:15 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Back in my younger days the book that gave the value of cars was >>>>>>>>>> actually blue. Hence the name.. >>>>>>>>>> See Tony even I can take leaps forward into reality.. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> lol. (",) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: archytas <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 8:25 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sounds really deep Tony - maybe we should leave it buried? >>>>>>>>>> Reality has taken a leap forward with Allan recognising a book plug >>>>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>>>> book plug. Soon he will be able to tell us a blue book is blue >>>>>>>>>> (which it >>>>>>>>>> isn't). We don't know there is a reality. There is a reality >>>>>>>>>> hypothesis. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Get real people! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 5:33:19 PM UTC+1, facilitator wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Time is an abstraction, a non quantifiable human invention used >>>>>>>>>>> for measurement. Said more simply, it is not the substance but the >>>>>>>>>>> flask. >>>>>>>>>>> Outside of human conjecture time does not exist. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, April 17, 2015 at 12:25:25 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I did watch the movie. Interesting reminded me of a book >>>>>>>>>>>> promotion. . And we actually have heard the same logic from RP >>>>>>>>>>>> using a >>>>>>>>>>>> Hindu God.. did not agree with that argument either. >>>>>>>>>>>> In the end there was a promotion for his book. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> He gets into a lot of Einstein concepts on time.. listening >>>>>>>>>>>> to him and the other program. Time is evasive and a matter of >>>>>>>>>>>> perspective. >>>>>>>>>>>> A perspective unique to each person. . The one thing apparently >>>>>>>>>>>> physics >>>>>>>>>>>> can not prove is the exsistance if time. . Unlike the conclusions >>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>> these people want to jump to.. >>>>>>>>>>>> It would seem to me that all our souls are responsible for is >>>>>>>>>>>> the perspective known by the unique soul inside the reality of >>>>>>>>>>>> non-time >>>>>>>>>>>> ¿known? to exist within the reality of time.. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which gets back to the original question just what the heck is >>>>>>>>>>>> time? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Molly <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:47 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Mind's Eye Re: Time >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This was in my mailbox (interestingly enough) >>>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/H1WfFkp4puw <https://youtu.be/H1WfFkp4puw> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 16, 2015 at 4:03:34 PM UTC-4, Allan Heretic >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just what the heck is time. I always thouhght of it as a >>>>>>>>>>>>> constant.. only to find it is a veriable .. unlike other >>>>>>>>>>>>> veriables.. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just what the heck is ¿Time? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين >>>>>>>>>>>>> Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>> >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> -- >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> ""Minds Eye"" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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