I ran w/ stock front bar and Shine suspension (bilsteins + springs + rear bar) my car was great...but when I added a bigger front bar, the car handled MUCH better. W/ the SRS stuff alone, the car could be coaxed into oversteer by lifting the throttle, but it plowed like a plow in steady state cornering...I added a big front bar and the steady state understeer got a lot better. This was on a jetta running ~ 1.2 degrees negative camber & 1/16 toe out. IMHO, a big front bar + SRS suspension is the way to go. Josh is just nuts. ;)
> >From what I have noticed on fwd cars is what josh was talking about. > >Since we have all that weight on our drive wheels, lets put it to > >good use. I assume that most of us auto-x'ers have some camber on > >the car (I run -1.5 deg on all four). By having the front of the car > >a little more plush than the rear, it allows the car to use the > >camber to it's advantage. If your car is level through a corner, > >then the camber is useless (other than tire wear). > > > My current setup for the jetta is lowering springs (1.25"), Tekico > adustable shocks (I run on 4 for the rears, and 2 for the fronts), and > a aluminum rear sway bar. From what I can tell at the events, this is > a fairly good setup. The car is very netural, and I dont have much > wheel spin. I have been running in STS, and I have been keeping up > with Impreza RS's, which is what I was hoping for. > > > Hope this helps some, > > > > Ryan > > > > '87 GLI 16v > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Denis Palmans" > > > > > >To: "A2-16v" > > > > > >Subject: Re: [A2-16v] Suspension Report Auto X > > > > >Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:33:31 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >I think I disagree on this. Not adding any swaybars to the front is > >just as > > > > >pointless as only adding a huge rear sway bar. The swaybars connect > >the > > > > >suspension on both sides of the car, allowing for roll resistance. A > >larger > > > > >front swaybar would help to keep both front tires in contact with the > > > > > > >ground, which should allow for more grip in order to turn faster and > >harder. > > > > >Adding a huge bar to the back and leaving the front alone seems like > >it is > > > > >not what you would want to do. It would change the car from > >understeer to > > > > >slight oversteer, which while it would defiantly be fun would also be > >more > > > > >unpredictable and probably not as fast and consistent. > > > > >I agree with adding on a rear bar, but to not add a front bar, or > > > > >disconnecting the front bar does not seem like a good idea to me. > >Adding a > > > > >front bar, and then dialing in a rear bar from there to provide the > >best > > > > >feel seems like it should be how to go. Just because the car > >understeers or > > > > >doesn't 'feel' as fast doesn't mean it really is slower. > > > > >It would almost be like running much higher rate springs on the rear > >than on > > > > >the front of the car. > > > > > > > > > >Any suspension experts in here? > > > > > > > > > >-Denis > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "DocWyte" > > > > > >To: "Rich Blake" > ; "A2-16v" > > > > > >Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 11:12 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [A2-16v] Suspension Report Auto X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add the largest rear swaybar you can. I like the > > > > > > Shine Racing swaybar, it has no brackets that can fail > > > > > > and no bushings that creak. > > > > > > > > > > > > Leave the stock front swaybar in place!!! If you add > > > > > > a larger front swaybar you might as well not even > > > > > > bother to get swaybars at all, you'll only be > > > > > > counteracting the larger rear swaybar and dialing in > > > > > > understeer... > > > > > > > > > > > > -josh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Rich Blake > wrote: > > > > > > > Finally got the car on the track with the new > > > > > > > suspension bits (Bilstien > > > > > > > HD/H&R Sport springs) and results are good and bad. > > > > > > > The good is that the > > > > > > > car is much less prone to body roll and turn in is > > > > > > > more precise and smooth. > > > > > > > Definately feels much better than stock suspension. > > > > > > > The bad is I'm still > > > > > > > pushing hard coming out of the corners which tells > > > > > > > me I need some stiffer > > > > > > > swaybars. I tried to play with tire pressure and > > > > > > > lowering the rears 2 psi > > > > > > > got me .200 sec slower. Overall however, I am about > > > > > > > 2 seconds faster than > > > > > > > before with the new stuff. With street tires I am > > > > > > > in the lower mid pack in > > > > > > > DSP which is pretty good for a mostly stock under > > > > > > > prepared car. Stiffer > > > > > > > bars, more neg camber (@-1.5 now) and some actual > > > > > > > race tires and I might be > > > > > > > competitive. 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