ouch.  I really object to classifying CS as a trade.  I have a B. Comp.
Sci, others have masters or Ph.D. in Comp. Sci.  Tradesmen usually do not
have university degrees, or if they do, it is in a domain other than what
they work in.

I know what a computer technician is, and that could be somewhat analogous
to plumber, but It isn't a CS.  Two different things.   Some people try to
classify CS's as techs, and it causes a lot of trouble.


On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Leslie Satenstein <
[email protected]> wrote:

> My view is that cs, like electricians, plumbers, masonry workers is a
> trade. To be good at cs is to Love
>
> My definition of a cs engineer is one that can create digital/analogue
> hardware and integrate the two. Today we manage computer systems
> Some of us are on Networking and security, some of us on the database
> arena. And others who perform system administration.
>
> I consider myself a CS plumber because  I dont use my advanced math skills
> or my  software design knowledge and hardware design skills together.  A CS
> engineer invents new products or applies algorithms to solve "complex"
> problems. He should be able to take a concept and arrive at a design. He
> should then be able to manage it's creation (project manage the project).
> On Oct 22, 2015 2:37 PM, "Yves Legault" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I do not want to start a war of the type "my father is stronger than
>> yours"!
>> Remember that my appreciation is based on my interaction with engineers
>> as a technician over a 35 years carreer in the telecommunication industry.
>> Therefore, it is nothing more than my personal opinion which might change.
>>
>> Furthermore,I am not aquainted with the subtile differences between
>> institutions.
>> Except for one...
>> The ÉTS seem to generally provide more capable engineers, based on the
>> fact that their student have a technical degree before entering that
>> institution. Arguably, that may allow a former technician to become a
>> better engineer because he does have technical habilities engineers do not
>> generally have.
>>
>> But then again, this is the opinion of a technician that is more at ease
>> with engineers that act like technicians rather than like managers.
>>
>> YLL
>>
>> Le mercredi 21 octobre 2015 à 22:54 -0400, Stefan Monnier a écrit :
>>
>> > I have always seen engineers to be more knowledgeable in theoretical
>> > work and management functions.
>> > I have always seen technicians to be more knowledgeable in practical
>> > work and day to day operation.
>>
>> If anything, students coming out of UdeM's DIRO are probably rather
>> "more knowledgeable in theoretical work" than those coming out
>> of polymtl.
>>
>>
>>         Stefan
>>
>>
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