You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a backend event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event logging solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event logging would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices without JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those with it.
Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on 20140310 log data. Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content served) - 0.09% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8% General m.wikipedia: Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content served) - 0.02% POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9% On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: > Poke. > I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know > the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging > on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those > that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have > on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in > mobile web I think this is a good idea. > > I created a story > https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 > in the hope we might explore this. > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> wrote: > > Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look at > > percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for > > Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable > > difference. > > > > Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing DOMParse > > wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement > right > > below it? > > > > As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia Zero > for > > Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are POSTs > > (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the user > hits > > "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on > > Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can > somewhat > > safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe 500 > > users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by implication) > hit > > "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, particularly in > > the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of > > no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller story, > I > > suppose. > > > > -Adam > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on > >> Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not > >> sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it > >> possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is > >> set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this > >> feature is.... > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like Special:MobileOptions > >> > constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof definition, > but > >> > a > >> > good enough one). > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc <[email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy > >> >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > On this page - > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions > >> >> > - > >> >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. > >> >> > > >> >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get some > >> >> > data? > >> >> > > >> >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an > >> >> > option > >> >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of... > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > Mobile-l mailing list > >> >> > [email protected] > >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Mobile-l mailing list > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jon Robson > >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk > >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson > >> * @rakugojon > > > > > > > > -- > Jon Robson > * http://jonrobson.me.uk > * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson > * @rakugojon >
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