Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a bit during today's planning meeting.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: > Exactly. > > According to click tracking the settings page gets 200 clicks a day > (compared to Watchlist which gets around 5K) - although note this > clicktracking is only limited to users of high end phones (requires > JavaScript). I think these metrics would be very useful to have and > would let us get a better idea of our users. > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> wrote: > > You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a > backend > > event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event logging > > solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event > logging > > would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices > without > > JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those with > it. > > > > Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of > > Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of > > Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on 20140310 > log > > data. > > > > Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: > > Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content > served) - > > 0.09% > > POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8% > > > > General m.wikipedia: > > Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content > served) - > > 0.02% > > POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9% > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Poke. > >> I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know > >> the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging > >> on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those > >> that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have > >> on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in > >> mobile web I think this is a good idea. > >> > >> I created a story > >> https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 > >> in the hope we might explore this. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look at > >> > percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for > >> > Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable > >> > difference. > >> > > >> > Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing > DOMParse > >> > wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement > >> > right > >> > below it? > >> > > >> > As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia Zero > >> > for > >> > Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are POSTs > >> > (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the > user > >> > hits > >> > "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on > >> > Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can > >> > somewhat > >> > safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe > 500 > >> > users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by implication) > >> > hit > >> > "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, particularly > >> > in > >> > the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of > >> > no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller > story, > >> > I > >> > suppose. > >> > > >> > -Adam > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on > >> >> Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not > >> >> sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it > >> >> possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is > >> >> set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this > >> >> feature is.... > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> > Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like > Special:MobileOptions > >> >> > constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof > definition, > >> >> > but > >> >> > a > >> >> > good enough one). > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc <[email protected]> > >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy > >> >> >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > On this page - > >> >> >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions > >> >> >> > - > >> >> >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get > some > >> >> >> > data? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an > >> >> >> > option > >> >> >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of... > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> > Mobile-l mailing list > >> >> >> > [email protected] > >> >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> >> Mobile-l mailing list > >> >> >> [email protected] > >> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Jon Robson > >> >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk > >> >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson > >> >> * @rakugojon > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jon Robson > >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk > >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson > >> * @rakugojon > > > > > > > > -- > Jon Robson > * http://jonrobson.me.uk > * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson > * @rakugojon > > _______________________________________________ > Mobile-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > -- Arthur Richards Software Engineer, Mobile [[User:Awjrichards]] IRC: awjr +1-415-839-6885 x6687
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