If you happen to pursue this card, it's implicit, but was hoping you could tag in the disposition of whether it's W0-scoped or not. The flag in the data should be generic, like "w0" if it's W0.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Arthur Richards <[email protected]>wrote: > Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a bit during today's > planning meeting. > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Exactly. >> >> According to click tracking the settings page gets 200 clicks a day >> (compared to Watchlist which gets around 5K) - although note this >> clicktracking is only limited to users of high end phones (requires >> JavaScript). I think these metrics would be very useful to have and >> would let us get a better idea of our users. >> >> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> wrote: >> > You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a >> backend >> > event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event logging >> > solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event >> logging >> > would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices >> without >> > JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those with >> it. >> > >> > Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of >> > Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of >> > Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on >> 20140310 log >> > data. >> > >> > Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: >> > Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content >> served) - >> > 0.09% >> > POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8% >> > >> > General m.wikipedia: >> > Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content >> served) - >> > 0.02% >> > POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9% >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Poke. >> >> I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know >> >> the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging >> >> on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those >> >> that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have >> >> on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in >> >> mobile web I think this is a good idea. >> >> >> >> I created a story >> >> https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 >> >> in the hope we might explore this. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look at >> >> > percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for >> >> > Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable >> >> > difference. >> >> > >> >> > Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing >> DOMParse >> >> > wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement >> >> > right >> >> > below it? >> >> > >> >> > As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia >> Zero >> >> > for >> >> > Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are >> POSTs >> >> > (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the >> user >> >> > hits >> >> > "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on >> >> > Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can >> >> > somewhat >> >> > safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe >> 500 >> >> > users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by >> implication) >> >> > hit >> >> > "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, >> particularly >> >> > in >> >> > the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of >> >> > no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller >> story, >> >> > I >> >> > suppose. >> >> > >> >> > -Adam >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on >> >> >> Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not >> >> >> sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it >> >> >> possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is >> >> >> set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this >> >> >> feature is.... >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like >> Special:MobileOptions >> >> >> > constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof >> definition, >> >> >> > but >> >> >> > a >> >> >> > good enough one). >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc <[email protected] >> > >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be easy >> >> >> >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected] >> > >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > On this page - >> >> >> >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions >> >> >> >> > - >> >> >> >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get >> some >> >> >> >> > data? >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as an >> >> >> >> > option >> >> >> >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of... >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> > Mobile-l mailing list >> >> >> >> > [email protected] >> >> >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> Mobile-l mailing list >> >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Jon Robson >> >> >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk >> >> >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson >> >> >> * @rakugojon >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jon Robson >> >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk >> >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson >> >> * @rakugojon >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Jon Robson >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson >> * @rakugojon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Mobile-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> > > > > -- > Arthur Richards > Software Engineer, Mobile > [[User:Awjrichards]] > IRC: awjr > +1-415-839-6885 x6687 >
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