Arthur if you look 2 replies up you'll see I did :) https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> wrote: > If you happen to pursue this card, it's implicit, but was hoping you could > tag in the disposition of whether it's W0-scoped or not. The flag in the > data should be generic, like "w0" if it's W0. > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Arthur Richards <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a bit during today's >> planning meeting. >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Exactly. >>> >>> According to click tracking the settings page gets 200 clicks a day >>> (compared to Watchlist which gets around 5K) - although note this >>> clicktracking is only limited to users of high end phones (requires >>> JavaScript). I think these metrics would be very useful to have and >>> would let us get a better idea of our users. >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a >>> > backend >>> > event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event >>> > logging >>> > solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event >>> > logging >>> > would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices >>> > without >>> > JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those with >>> > it. >>> > >>> > Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of >>> > Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of >>> > Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on >>> > 20140310 log >>> > data. >>> > >>> > Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: >>> > Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content >>> > served) - >>> > 0.09% >>> > POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8% >>> > >>> > General m.wikipedia: >>> > Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content >>> > served) - >>> > 0.02% >>> > POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9% >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Poke. >>> >> I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know >>> >> the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging >>> >> on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those >>> >> that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have >>> >> on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in >>> >> mobile web I think this is a good idea. >>> >> >>> >> I created a story >>> >> https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 >>> >> in the hope we might explore this. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> > Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look >>> >> > at >>> >> > percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for >>> >> > Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable >>> >> > difference. >>> >> > >>> >> > Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing >>> >> > DOMParse >>> >> > wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement >>> >> > right >>> >> > below it? >>> >> > >>> >> > As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia >>> >> > Zero >>> >> > for >>> >> > Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are >>> >> > POSTs >>> >> > (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the >>> >> > user >>> >> > hits >>> >> > "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on >>> >> > Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can >>> >> > somewhat >>> >> > safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe >>> >> > 500 >>> >> > users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by >>> >> > implication) >>> >> > hit >>> >> > "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, >>> >> > particularly >>> >> > in >>> >> > the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of >>> >> > no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller >>> >> > story, >>> >> > I >>> >> > suppose. >>> >> > >>> >> > -Adam >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on >>> >> >> Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not >>> >> >> sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it >>> >> >> possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is >>> >> >> set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this >>> >> >> feature is.... >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> > Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like >>> >> >> > Special:MobileOptions >>> >> >> > constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof >>> >> >> > definition, >>> >> >> > but >>> >> >> > a >>> >> >> > good enough one). >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc >>> >> >> > <[email protected]> >>> >> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be >>> >> >> >> easy >>> >> >> >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson >>> >> >> >> <[email protected]> >>> >> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> >> > On this page - >>> >> >> >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions >>> >> >> >> > - >>> >> >> >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get >>> >> >> >> > some >>> >> >> >> > data? >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as >>> >> >> >> > an >>> >> >> >> > option >>> >> >> >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of... >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> >> > Mobile-l mailing list >>> >> >> >> > [email protected] >>> >> >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> >> >> Mobile-l mailing list >>> >> >> >> [email protected] >>> >> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> -- >>> >> >> Jon Robson >>> >> >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk >>> >> >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson >>> >> >> * @rakugojon >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Jon Robson >>> >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk >>> >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson >>> >> * @rakugojon >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jon Robson >>> * http://jonrobson.me.uk >>> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson >>> * @rakugojon >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mobile-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Arthur Richards >> Software Engineer, Mobile >> [[User:Awjrichards]] >> IRC: awjr >> +1-415-839-6885 x6687 > > -- Jon Robson * http://jonrobson.me.uk * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson * @rakugojon _______________________________________________ Mobile-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l
