Oops, sorry I missed that :p At least we've got it scheduled now for next iteration.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote: > Arthur if you look 2 replies up you'll see I did :) > https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> wrote: > > If you happen to pursue this card, it's implicit, but was hoping you > could > > tag in the disposition of whether it's W0-scoped or not. The flag in the > > data should be generic, like "w0" if it's W0. > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Arthur Richards < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a bit during > today's > >> planning meeting. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Exactly. > >>> > >>> According to click tracking the settings page gets 200 clicks a day > >>> (compared to Watchlist which gets around 5K) - although note this > >>> clicktracking is only limited to users of high end phones (requires > >>> JavaScript). I think these metrics would be very useful to have and > >>> would let us get a better idea of our users. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a > >>> > backend > >>> > event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event > >>> > logging > >>> > solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event > >>> > logging > >>> > would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices > >>> > without > >>> > JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those > with > >>> > it. > >>> > > >>> > Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of > >>> > Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of > >>> > Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on > >>> > 20140310 log > >>> > data. > >>> > > >>> > Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia: > >>> > Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content > >>> > served) - > >>> > 0.09% > >>> > POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8% > >>> > > >>> > General m.wikipedia: > >>> > Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content > >>> > served) - > >>> > 0.02% > >>> > POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9% > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> > >>> > wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> Poke. > >>> >> I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to > know > >>> >> the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging > >>> >> on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as > those > >>> >> that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to > have > >>> >> on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it > in > >>> >> mobile web I think this is a good idea. > >>> >> > >>> >> I created a story > >>> >> > https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757 > >>> >> in the hope we might explore this. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> > >>> >> wrote: > >>> >> > Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look > >>> >> > at > >>> >> > percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot > for > >>> >> > Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any > measurable > >>> >> > difference. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing > >>> >> > DOMParse > >>> >> > wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog > statement > >>> >> > right > >>> >> > below it? > >>> >> > > >>> >> > As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia > >>> >> > Zero > >>> >> > for > >>> >> > Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are > >>> >> > POSTs > >>> >> > (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the > >>> >> > user > >>> >> > hits > >>> >> > "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown > on > >>> >> > Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can > >>> >> > somewhat > >>> >> > safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of > maybe > >>> >> > 500 > >>> >> > users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by > >>> >> > implication) > >>> >> > hit > >>> >> > "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists, > >>> >> > particularly > >>> >> > in > >>> >> > the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number > of > >>> >> > no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller > >>> >> > story, > >>> >> > I > >>> >> > suppose. > >>> >> > > >>> >> > -Adam > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson <[email protected]> > >>> >> > wrote: > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on > >>> >> >> Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm > not > >>> >> >> sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it > >>> >> >> possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie > is > >>> >> >> set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this > >>> >> >> feature is.... > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso <[email protected]> > >>> >> >> wrote: > >>> >> >> > Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like > >>> >> >> > Special:MobileOptions > >>> >> >> > constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof > >>> >> >> > definition, > >>> >> >> > but > >>> >> >> > a > >>> >> >> > good enough one). > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc > >>> >> >> > <[email protected]> > >>> >> >> > wrote: > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be > >>> >> >> >> easy > >>> >> >> >> enough to measure and get into a sprint. > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson > >>> >> >> >> <[email protected]> > >>> >> >> >> wrote: > >>> >> >> >> > On this page - > >>> >> >> >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions > >>> >> >> >> > - > >>> >> >> >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site. > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get > >>> >> >> >> > some > >>> >> >> >> > data? > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as > >>> >> >> >> > an > >>> >> >> >> > option > >>> >> >> >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of... > >>> >> >> >> > > >>> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >>> >> >> >> > Mobile-l mailing list > >>> >> >> >> > [email protected] > >>> >> >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > >>> >> >> >> > >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> >> >> Mobile-l mailing list > >>> >> >> >> [email protected] > >>> >> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> >> >> -- > >>> >> >> Jon Robson > >>> >> >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk > >>> >> >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson > >>> >> >> * @rakugojon > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> -- > >>> >> Jon Robson > >>> >> * http://jonrobson.me.uk > >>> >> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson > >>> >> * @rakugojon > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Jon Robson > >>> * http://jonrobson.me.uk > >>> * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson > >>> * @rakugojon > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Mobile-l mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-l > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Arthur Richards > >> Software Engineer, Mobile > >> [[User:Awjrichards]] > >> IRC: awjr > >> +1-415-839-6885 x6687 > > > > > > > > -- > Jon Robson > * http://jonrobson.me.uk > * https://www.facebook.com/jonrobson > * @rakugojon > -- Arthur Richards Software Engineer, Mobile [[User:Awjrichards]] IRC: awjr +1-415-839-6885 x6687
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