the hairy belt poster is not of the same quality of an original SW
poster and I suggest it was copied from an original
At 01:39 AM 10/13/2009, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
I agree with David that the Star Wars posters may well have been
printed "after hours" from the original plates.
But I have never seen a single minty white insert or lobby card that
appears to have been printed this way.
All the ones I have seen was clearly copied from an original,
resulting in a loss of print quality.
Show me one insert on the weird paper stock that was only used for
minty whites that has print quality that matches the original. Send
it to me, and I will run great images of it in my club.
Bruce
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:53 AM, David Lieberman
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
I repeat:
they were printed several years after the films were originally released.
for some of the titles they used the same "plates".........if they
were available. Some were, some weren't.
some of them were made using the same printing
"elements"..........so they are sort of restrikes.......
so whether you want to call them restrikes, sort of restrikes,
reprints, repros...........whatever.........it isn't really that
important........what is important is that they are NOT original.
it is totally plausible that the bad guys bought a few thousand of
each for just pennies a piece directly from the source 20+ years
ago......and that they still have plenty of them left.
A few months ago I personally acquired 600 of the FAKE star wars
style c one sheets (which I gave one away for free to anyone who
wanted one a few months ago...permanently marked as FAKE).....and my
source still has another roll of 300 in her closet. So my point is
that these fakes were produced in MASS quantities and it is totally
plausible that the bad guys still have stacks of them even after all
these years.
I do not think they are still printing the inserts..........but that
is just my opinion......and anything is possible........they could
possibly still be making them, but I would be very surprised if they were.
as for the minty white lobby card sets.......its probably a similar
kind of story except that it is a little more plausible (in my
opinion) that they are still printing them.......
David Lieberman
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In a message dated 10/12/2009 10:28:28 P.M. US Mountain Standard
Tim, <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] writes:
David,
You could be right about an employee of the print shop doing
restrikes after hours using the same press, plates and paper as the
genuine strikes. But, in that case, they aren't really "fakes" at
all, are they? Since they are 100% identical to those inserts which
were printed by the same employee during regular business hours?
What makes them fake -- the fact that they were printed after hours
but nothing else? No, that doesn't float. If there's no way to
identify a difference between with a microscope or chemical paper
analysis, then it's not viable to say "well this one was printed
after hours and so it is a fake even though it is 100% physically
identical to this original one over here, which was printed 6 hours
earlier during regular business hours."
Now if there is a subtle difference in image size or area, a slight
difference of text placement, etc., then you've got something to
work with. But why would a restrike from a genuine original plate
have a different image size or text position? It wouldn't. The only
way that would happen is if someone used a genuine original poster
for their artwork in the plate-making process and had to zoom and
crop it a tiny bit to make it work (or were just sloppy and didn't
notice they had cropped the artwork a tiny bit). So restrikes don't
work for me as an explanation if there is a difference in image
size, area, text placement or "fuzziness" of printing. With a
restrike from original plates you would have none of that.
The big thing that made people start wondering about the Mintys was
the fact that certain specific sellers seemed to have a unlimited
supply of inserts for certain titles -- and the use of inserts was
fading away at the time these films were released and fewer inserts
were being officially printed than in earlier decades. So, having an
unlimited supply to sell is a big red flag (thus their "warehouse
find" cover story). But unlimited supply doesn't fit in with your
employee-after-hours-restrikes theory because surely the guy doesn't
still work for that 1970's or 1980's print shop and surely the
plates are still not available to him, much less the original type of paper?
How come they haven't run out of the restrikes? What, this
after-hours guy printed up thousands of these restrikes for this
very odd variety of titles back in the late 70s and early 80s and
then held onto them all these years waiting for EBay to be invented
so he could dump them on the market? Doesn't compute. The "warehouse
find" explanation actually seems more likely to me than that, and I
don't buy the warehouse find explanation.
If they were restrikes made 20- to 30- odd years ago, surely the
original restrike print run would have been exhausted by now?
This leads me to suspect that most of the Mintys, if not all, were
not restrikes from original plates but just very good quality
printing plates made using genuine original posters as the artwork
for the plate making process -- and I suspect new inventory is still
being printed (or could be printed).
-- JR
David Lieberman wrote:
how many times do we have to discuss this same topic? ;)
The "minty white" inserts were printed in the mid to late 1980's.
They are "unauthorized" restrikes. They were most likely done
"after hours" at the same place the originals were printed years
before (at one of the nss printing facilities).....that is why the
quality is just as good as the originals.........that is why they
fooled so many people......and that is why they still fool people
today. Some are virtually identical with the same art cropping
etc., and some have the artwork slightly cropped.
The list of titles is on our website.....some of these fake inserts
include: a clockwork orange -X rated, jaws, star wars, esb, rotj,
scarface, blade runner, manhattan.
There were also several unauthorized restrike one sheets printed
around the same time. They probably came from the same source as
the minty white inserts (at least that's my humble opinion!). The
manhattan style b 1sh, fast times 1sh, rocky horror 1sh, star wars
a,b,c one sheets.....as well as several others.
We have done several comparisons side by side and have close ups of
some of them (not all) on our site. They aren't all in one place
though on the website. Some of them (like scarface and manhattan)
we haven't done only because we haven't had a fake one and a real
one in stock at the same time so we could compare them side by side.
Anybody who thinks the minty white inserts are "real".....is flat out wrong.
David Lieberman
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