There are so many variables in digital images, both taking the picture, editing the picture and viewing the picture (although the differences are not what differentiates Bruce's and Heritage's picture of the same card. While it's softer, I'd certainly vote Bruce's image the more accurate without even seeing the card in person.
Taking the picture: lighting conditions, camera settings. Editing the picture: auto or manual correction, and/or deliberate colour/contrast manipulation, file size Viewing the picture: type and age of monitor, monitor settings Digital images of flat paper "lie", even without manipulation, and the smaller the file size, the less data to study. Having a detailed written condition description even with a large image is definitely the way to go. As for the SCARFACE card, I really doubt that even when first printed, the white border was never that "white." Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve E To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] FA: Mother of mercy, are many fine lobby cards going to sell at under wholesale? They WILL, if in 13 hours they are where they are now! You can get a sharp image AND also accurate color saturation... just increase the image color saturation level in Photoshop or any image editing program. Also, if too bright, with same software, darken to the point closest to actuality while leaving the tear still visible. It is all very easy and the technology has been around decades. There is no reason to blame a camera/scanner when common software is available to make an image look more realistic. Nothing wrong also for a second image to show closer up detail, I reckon anyway! That's where eBay has it up on emovieposter ;-) Steve (50s) --- On Thu, 18/3/10, Bruce Hershenson <[email protected]> wrote: From: Bruce Hershenson <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MOPO] FA: Mother of mercy, are many fine lobby cards going to sell at under wholesale? They WILL, if in 13 hours they are where they are now! To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, 18 March, 2010, 22:04 I put "two different cameras" because that is what Sean put (apparently incorrectly). I am looking at the actual card, and the image we have accurately depicts the coloring, while the other image completely distorts the coloring, making it appear somewhat white. Given the choice of my "lesser quality" camera which accurately depicts the coloring, and a scanner which gets better image detail quality but which greatly distorts the coloring, I know what I choose, but each seller has to go with what they prefer. I also wonder if it is the scanner which distorts the coloring, or if the image was brightened after the fact. One would have to see their original unrestored scan to know for certain, and I doubt I will ever see that. Another possibility is that the card WAS originally white a couple of years ago, but that it has undergone huge darkening in the intervening two years! Bruce On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Sean Linkenback <[email protected]> wrote: There is a definitely a quality of detail in Heritage's image that is lacking in the Emovieposter image. Just look at the detail in Muni's hair to see what I am talking about. And while it isn't possible to do so over the internet, I prefer to use as bright a light as possible when inspecting cards for purchase. I would much rather see the large tear in a card before I purchase it than be surprised when it arrives thinking "yeah, I guess that could have been a tear and not a crease, wish the photo had been clearer." Full Disclosure - if the card remains at present bid levels, I will certainly be making a bid (and placing it knowing there is a large not noticeable tear in it). ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Hershenson To: Sean Linkenback Cc: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [MOPO] FA: Mother of mercy, are many fine lobby cards going to sell at under wholesale? They WILL, if in 13 hours they are where they are now! What you are seeing is that they "brightened" the image artificially, making the card look far more "white" than it actually is in "real life". That had the unintended side effect of also brightening the tear, making it far more noticeable than it is in "real life". Two different cameras actually view the same card the same way, but it takes a human being to manipulate the image so that it appears other than it actually is in "real life". Bruce On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Sean Linkenback <[email protected]> wrote: As a lover of fine lobby cards and inspired by Bruce's sales pitch I decided to check out his great offering of lobbies. I was intrigued by the Scarface card as it looked somewhat familiar to me and a quick search of the Heritage archives shows that this exact card was auctioned two years ago this month, so it will be interesting to see how it performs in a different venue now. Also interesting to me was a comparison of the large scan of the card from Emovieposter as to the one Heritage made. Many times we hear vague references to "some" auction houses and how "they even trick you with the images, using "stock images" or "enhanced images"" and now at least for one item we can see how they compare against each other. I certainly found it strange that a large tear in the top border of the card is clearly visible in the Heritage scan, but is nearly invisible in the Emovieposter scan. I think both companies grade the card about the same, but it is hard to tell as Heritage uses a 10-point grading system (giving this one a 7 out of 10), while Emovieposter uses a Fair to Fine scale, which I think translates to a 7-point scale making comparisons much more difficult but makes this a 5 out of 7. I certainly don't think Emovieposter is enhancing or softening their image, but it does show how two different cameras can view the same card. Here is Bruce's large image: http://www.emovieposter.com/gallery/inc/giant_size.php?lot=1z528 and here is the one from Heritage: http://movieposters.ha.com/common/view_image_only.php?img=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.ha.com%2Flf%3Fsource%3Durl[file%3Aimages%2Finetpub%2Fnewnames%2F300%2F3%2F3%2F8%2F4%2F3384599.jpg]%2Ccontinueonerror[true]%26source%3Durl[file%3Aimages%2Finetpub%2Fwebuse%2Fno_image_available.gif]%2Cif[%28%27global.source.error%27%29]%26sink%3Dpreservemd[true] ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Hershenson To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:50 AM Subject: [MOPO] FA: Mother of mercy, are many fine lobby cards going to sell at under wholesale? They WILL, if in 13 hours they are where they are now! Usually I use these last day "reminder e-mails" to point out the many items closing in a few hours that are still at just a few dollars each. But Thursday night's 666 single lobby cards (including 121 title cards and 41 signed cards), closing tonight, on the 18th of March, starting in just 13 hours, currently includes lots of REALLY incredible values on items that usually sell for between $25 dollars to two hundred dollars, and currently many of these are languishing at low, low, prices, quite a few at "under wholesale"! I certainly hope the savvy dealers like John Hazelton, Morrie Everett, Joe Burtis, Marty Davis, Rich Halegua, and many others are all over these like a cheap suit, because there is money to be made! With just 13 hours to go, there ARE still over 100 of these cards that are $3 or under, but I want you to go right now to the gallery of ALL the cards and see just how many wonderful buys there currently are! Here are some of the very best single lobby cards closing tonight: 1z528 SCARFACE LC '32 Howard Hawks, Howard Hughes, great c/u of Paul Muni as Tony Camonte! 1z312 FLASH GORDON Chap6 LC '36 Buster Crabbe at controls w/Priscilla Lawson, best serial ever! 1z081 SABOTAGE TC '36 directed by Alfred Hitchcock, Sylvia Sidney, Oscar Homolka, The Woman Alone! 1z107 TOUCH OF EVIL TC '58 art of Orson Welles, c/u of Charlton Heston & sexy Janet Leigh! 1z465 NORTH BY NORTHWEST LC #2 '59 Alfred Hitchcock, classic image of Cary Grant chased by plane! 1z660 WRONG MAN LC #6 '57 Alfred Hitchcock shown reading newspaper behind smoking Henry Fonda! 1z621 TO CATCH A THIEF LC #5 '55 best close up art of Grace Kelly & Cary Grant, Alfred Hitchcock 1z151 STRATTON STORY signed LC #7 '49 by BOTH James Stewart & June Allyson, who are about to kiss! 1z496 PSYCHO LC #3 '60 Alfred Hitchcock, most classic long shot of Anthony Perkins by house! 1z486 PHANTOM EMPIRE Chap4 LC '35 wonderful image of cowboy Gene Autry playing guitar on the radio! 1z092 SONG OF THE THIN MAN TC '47 William Powell, Myrna Loy, and Asta the dog too! 1z091 SOMEWHERE IN THE NIGHT TC '46 John Hodiak, Nancy Guild, cool film noir montage! 1z524 SAFE AT HOME LC '62 c/u of Bryan Russell lifted by Yankees Mickey Mantle & Roger Maris! 1z518 ROPE LC #3 '48 c/u of James Stewart with Farley Granger & John Dall, Alfred Hitchcock 1z172 A-HAUNTING WE WILL GO LC '42 Laurel & Hardy in wacky turbans holding ducks! 1z639 VERTIGO LC #2 '58 Alfred Hitchcock, super c/u of James Stewart kissing blonde Kim Novak! 1z490 PRINCE & THE SHOWGIRL LC #1 '57 Laurence Olivier w/sexy Marilyn Monroe by champagne bucket! 1z492 PRINCE & THE SHOWGIRL LC #6 '57 sexy Marilyn Monroe smiling on red couch in feathers! 1z001 AFRICAN QUEEN TC '52 colorful artwork of missionary Katharine Hepburn in native uprising! 1z453 NIAGARA LC #7 '53 sexy Marilyn Monroe & Jean Peters learn the shocking news! 1z545 SHADOW OF A DOUBT LC '43 Alfred Hitchcock,Teresa Wright serving Joseph Cotten breakfast! 1z199 ARSENIC & OLD LACE LC '44 c/u of scared Cary Grant carrying Priscilla Lane, Frank Capra 1z011 BRUTE FORCE TC '47 art of tough Burt Lancaster & sexy full-length Yvonne DeCarlo! 1z441 MIRACLE ON 34th STREET LC #5 '47 Maureen O'Hara whispers to John Payne by Edmund Gwenn! 1z452 NIAGARA LC #5 '53 Joseph Cotten on ground next to unconscious Marilyn Monroe! 1z604 TERROR TRAIL LC '33 great close up of Tom Mix standing before bad guy in jail cell! 1z299 EX-MRS. BRADFORD LC '36 William Powell, Jean Arthur & James Gleason in convertible car! 1z638 VERTIGO LC #1 '58 Alfred Hitchcock, James Stewart berates sad blonde Kim Novak! 1z546 SHADOW OF THE THIN MAN LC '41 c/u William Powell sick after merry-go-round ride & Myrna Loy! 1z357 HIS KIND OF WOMAN LC #6 '51 Robert Mitchum smiling at sexy Jane Russel in swimsuitl 1z218 BIG STORE LC '41 detective Groucho with Harpo & Chico Marx fighting with men! 1z112 WAGONS ROLL AT NIGHT style A TC '41 Humphrey Bogart, Joan Leslie, Eddie Albert, Sylvia Sidney 1z497 PSYCHO LC #4 '60 Alfred Hitchcock, Vera Miles & John Gavin at motel with Anthony Perkins! 1z643 VERTIGO LC #7 '58 Alfred Hitchcock, James Stewart holds unconscious Kim Novak under bridge! 1z219 BIG STORE LC '41 Margaret Dumont tries to pull Groucho Marx away from sexy girls! 1z491 PRINCE & THE SHOWGIRL LC #5 '57 sexy Marilyn Monroe pours refreshment for Laurence Olivier! 1z498 PSYCHO LC #6 '60 Alfred Hitchcock, great 2-shot of Anthony Perkins and Janet Leigh! 1z264 DEAD RECKONING LC #7 '47 close up of Humphrey Bogart grabbing Lizabeth Scott's gun in car! 1z641 VERTIGO LC #4 '58 Alfred Hitchcock, close up of James Stewart choking brunette Kim Novak! 1z255 CROSSFIRE LC #5 '47 close up of sexy Gloria Grahame having drinks w/G.I. George Cooper! and on and on and on and on! Don't forget to check out our 666 single lobby cards (including 121 title cards and 41 signed cards) sometime BEFORE they end TONIGHT Thursday, March 18th, (but you only have 13 hours left to do so, because they start ending at 7 PM CST TONIGHT, so hustle over there right now!) by going to http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/14.html And now you can browse the items in ALL of galleries at one time in our All Auctions gallery at http://www.emovieposter.com/agallery/all.html! Bruce Hershenson and the 25 other members of the eMoviePoster.com team P.O. 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