Yes, true for me Joe, but probably didn't put it as well as I should
have, might have sounded offensive.
Didn't mean posters from that era were totally irrelevant, just that
they are generally far less relevant to the market than they were.
And in their place modern posters have become more so.
Just hoping it's not necessarily so doom and gloom.
Perhaps the Hershenson database knows more, selling large numbers of a
very wide variety of material to, I imagine, a wide range of ages,
though whether he'd share?
But perhaps the younger bidders will just buy Lord of the Rings, Star
Wars and the like.
On 22 Jul 2010, at 01:26, Joseph Bonelli wrote:
<"Looking at those posters from the 20s, they are beautiful, but
look irrelevant.
Everything moves on, and I can't imagine there being the connection
to the film or the style of artwork.">
But that's you, Richard.
Many others certainly feel differently and look upon certain images
as antique "art." One of my prized possessions is a lobby card from
the original 1921 release of Chaplin's "The Kid." Another is a
lobby from 1935 from "A Midsummer Night's Dream" with Mickey Rooney
and Olivia de Havilland pictured. I am two days older than Mick
Jagger -- but we weren't born then.
I love Hollywood history. And the older posters and lobbies are a
link to that history.
Many find "Antiques Roadshow" a fascinating television program. I
do as well, though "antiques" aren't my thing. But I find "History
Detectives" even more fascinating.
Now I don't think you guys are wrong. None of us are in this case
But.....different strokes....
Joe B in NOLA
--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Susan Heim <[email protected]> wrote:
From: Susan Heim <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Expanding hobby?
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 4:13 PM
I'm with you Mike and Rich. I was born in 1953 and I loved the
Saturday matinee theaters on t.v. from as far back as I can
remember. I mean Saturday morning was Sky King, Roy and Dale, and
cartoons, but the afternoon was either Abbott and Costello, Tarzan
theater or horror movies. I remember seeing the Mummy for the first
time and it scared the bejeebees out of me. I have many posters in
my own collection that are for films I have never even seen, mostly
from the silent period, but the posters are beautiful. In contrast,
some of my favorite films have horrible looking posters. My favorite
posters are rarely of my favorite films. I still have a connection,
though, to posters that represent movies that I watched, mostly on
t.v. for the first time. Some I have seen at old movie houses when I
got older. It's always a thrill to see a favorite movie on the big
screen that I have only seen on t.v. as a kid, but it's the movie,
not the size of the screen that holds the real thrill for me.
Sue
www.hollywoodposterframes.com
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:02:48 -0700
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Expanding hobby?
To: [email protected]
I agree with Rich as far as not being old enough to have bought
posters from films I was old enough top see in the theaters. Well,
for the most part.
Even though I was born in 1950, the horror and sci-fi of the 30's
and 40's have a tremendously nostalgic pull due to television. As a
child I would watch those Realart re-releases of the Universal
horror films. Also in Boston area around the 60's and/or early 70's
there was, as I remember it, Mystery Theater on WSBK TV 38 where I
was exposed to the Rathbone/Bruce Sherlock Holmes films, Charlie
Chan and Mister Moto. Talk about a must see. This tv viewing is what
led me to my collecting old horror and sci-fi.
The 50's films also were nostlgic in the same way, only having seen
a few in the theater (IT CONQUERED THE WORLD and THE SHE-CREATURE my
most vivid memories. But even most of the 50's fare I got from
Creature Feature/Doub le Feature and Fantasmic Features (hosted in
Boston by "Feep" - anyone remember goold old Feep?)
Funny thing is that I am left cold by many if not most 60's and 70's
films (yes, there are definite exceptions but overall I am just
itchily bored with them).
So television was my nostalgia and a danged powerful influence it
was..
Pov
May the holes in your collection be filled.
From: Richard Evans <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wed, July 21, 2010 1:34:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Expanding hobby?
"If you didn't see the movie when it first came out, and remember
seeing the poster for it hanging in the theater lobby, then you
might still appreciate the poster, but you are not going to have
that gut-level strong nostalgic pull to fork over big bucks for it."
I honestly can't think of a single poster I've bought that I was old
enough to see at the cinema, and mostly I didn't even exist when the
film was released.
Isn't that the same for most of us?
People passionately collecting 50's Sci-Fi aren't in their
seventies, Todd and Jim Gresham aren't in their nineties, or Ken
Schacter pushing a century.
I flicked through Hollywood Posters 1 from 1990 the other night.
Huge percentage of 20's and 30's material, extremely small amount of
anything later, and it only got as recent as a Forbidden Planet 1 sht.
I think it's much the same through to Hollywood Posters 6.
I can imagine the hoots of derision when at some point not too much
later someone had the crazy idea of suggesting 60s and even 70s
posters could be sold at auction.
Looking at those posters from the 20s, they are beautiful, but look
irrelevant.
Everything moves on, and I can't imagine there being the connection
to the film or the style of artwork.
It's the same with antiques/furniture. Edwardian and Victorian out,
continued popularity of modern design, Mid Century, or earlier or
later.
Although what initially hooked me, the screening of the classics on
TV in my youth isn't there to the same degree to hook young people,
won't people who love film still exist and seek out and appreciate
earlier movies ? (They may even learn to master subtitles and B&W.)
And, aren't they likely to still find appeal in the art of whatever
genres that will go in and out of fashion.
Though yes, I wouldn't necessarily expect much from anyone, (in
disposable cash or taste) until they reach their thirties.
On 20 Jul 2010, at 21:50, James Richard wrote:
Peter,
I would tend to agree with your feeling that poster collecting is
not expanding, logic seems to indicate it, but on the other hand you
see some stuff that can't be otherwise explained. An example would
be original posters for the Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings
films. The prices for those posters, while not ultra-high, have
remained firm, even though the first of those posters came out 10
years ago. Surely it is younger people buying/collecting those and
similar items and keeping the prices up? I think the real question
-- one that cannot yet be answered -- is how many of those younger
buyers will *remain* movie poster collectors and, perhaps as they
grow older, become interesting some of the great older posters?
After all, great poster art is great poster art, regardless of when
the film came out.
But there is no denying that simple nostalgia is the *big* driver in
all forms of memorabilia collecting. If you didn't see the movie
when it first came out, and remember seeing the poster for it
hanging in the theater lobby, then you might still appreciate the
poster, but you are not going to have that gut-level strong
nostalgic pull to fork over big bucks for it.
-- JR
peter contarino wrote:
I think all of Ron’s questions are excellent and on point. I also
think that the answer is “all the above”. The economy is awful,
supply outweighs demand, the high-rollers have acquired many of
their pieces and the younger generation(s)would rather text and
tweet than watch a film(literally- I was at a theater recently and
the kid a few seats in front of me texted for the better part of the
film). And after all, like who, you know, would want to, like, watch
a black and white film anyway…and stuff…dude.
I don’t know whether the hobby is expanding; you guys would know
more about that. My sense is that it is not. I can’t imagine it is
bringing a lot of younger people in. I think the target is 35+ years
of age. Maybe older. For example, my wife and I were spending the
weekend with some friends of ours who just built a getaway home.
They will be retiring in 10 years or so. We got to talking about the
website Ken and I have and then the questions started coming: What
does the poster to “Cat on a Hot Tin Roof” look like? Do you have
it? And so on. Bottom line is that they want to do at least one room
and maybe more with vintage paper from films that they love. These
are professionals with money and grew up on classic films who never
knew that this paper existed. I have some ideas about how to tap
into that demographic.
Regarding the images that Heritage provides, I have to say that they
are spot on. I spoke with Ken Schacter about this yesterday and we
both feel that the photo/scans are by far the most accurate and
highest quality of any site, auction or not. The catalogs are
unparalleled and are collectable in themselves. Great reference
material.
It’s an uncertain market to be sure but as Bruce and Grey have
pointed out it is a great time to buy.
Peter
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