I forgot ANIMAL HOUSE, the advance and regular one sheets. Another title with a lot of proofs.
On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 5:16 AM David Lieberman <cinemasterpie...@gmail.com> wrote: > "why do we see so many of the STAR WARS tests in comparison to any other > title?" > > Great question Helmut. I wondered about this for a long time. After > acquiring several of these proofs from at least four or five different > former print shop employees over the past 20 years, I finally had a lengthy > discussion with one of them and his answer was this. First of all, it isn't > just Star Wars, there are a few other titles from that era 1977-1980 where > a lot of proofs exist. There are a lot of JAWS 2, CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE > THIRD KIND, and a few other nothing titles that no one really cares about. > A lot of these haven't survived or haven't been noticed on ebay or other > auction sites over the past 40+ years because no one really wants them and > they don't sell for much. Secondly......these former employees were > basically just kids at the time mostly in their early twenties. They took > stuff home all the time that was meant for the dumpster because they were > allowed to. They took stuff that they thought was "cool". Star Wars was > cool and became collectible almost immediately. One of our clients who used > to work at GORE GRAPHICS told me about his kids in the 1980's who took some > of his proofs and made book covers for their school books to show off to > their classmates. > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 4:47 AM Helmut Hamm <texasmu...@web.de> wrote: > >> Whatever you want to call them, test printings or proofs: When it comes >> to STAR WARS, there way too many of these around for my taste. Bruce alone >> has auctioned more than thirty copies of the Style C Onesheet 'test print'. >> Frankly, I can't see any difference to the regular onesheets. >> Actually, they just look like untrimmed onesheets to me. >> >> As to all of these being 'test prints' that were 'sent out to the client >> for confirmation': For all I know, this is NOT common practice for print >> shops anywhere in the world, and it never was. If that was the case, why do >> we see so many of the STAR WARS tests in comparison to any other title? >> This does not make any sense to me. >> >> Here's an actual test print for the BLADE RUNNER onesheet: >> >> >> https://www.filmposter.net/en/blade-runner-original-release-us-test-proof-movie-poster.html >> >> As all print shops do, the printer saved a small number of these posters >> (for all I know, it was more than five, but less than ten) for their >> archive. These prints came to the market after the company folded and >> somebody cleared out their inventory. >> >> As you can see, the image is very different from the final onesheet. >> Apparently, somebody took a serious effort to get things right, but in the >> pre-digital days, creating a test like this was seriously expensive and >> therefore a rare exception, not common practice. >> >> Helmut >> >> >> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 14:05 Uhr >> *Von:* "Bruce Hershenson" <brucehershen...@gmail.com> >> *An:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >> *Betreff:* Re: [MOPO] BLACK FRIDAY SALE 2023 💥 CineMasterpieces VINTAGE >> MOVIE POSTERS �� >> I agree he has a MASSIVE amount of super helpful information and bravo to >> Dave. especially where he helps newbies not get ripped off by eBay sellers >> openly selling fakes.. >> >> But does he still call "printer's test" posters "proofs"? I hope not, >> because 99% of the ones circulating in the hobby are test posters that were >> printed to get people's reactions before the final print run. >> >> The few true PROOF posters are sent back to the printer with markings as >> to what needs to be changed OR have an approval stamped area where it is >> OK'ed for printing. >> >> On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 6:40 AM David Kusumoto < >> davidmkusum...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Don't know how many others are on Dave Lieberman's newsletter but I >>> hadn't visited his site in a long time and I went straight to his Star Wars >>> section - and I was floored by the wealth of information about almost every >>> known poster iteration of Star Wars - from concept to its celebrated >>> inaugural year of 1977 - (theatrical and commercial) - in roughly >>> chronological order. The section includes detailed images and descriptions >>> of known fakes, including personal testimonials of oddball things he >>> concedes he was initially fooled about like a lot of us. >>> >>> He also provides a detailed study of printer's proofs - which - while >>> I've never had the desire to collect nor own, is still interesting insofar >>> there are collectors who DO love and pay $$$ for them. He explains how >>> they came to be, their ubiquitous presence and the differences between PMS >>> (pantone) vs. CMYK proofs, which came first, etc. - and why it matters to >>> some collectors and not to others. Great stuff for SW completists. >>> >>> Encourage anyone interested to venture over there and take a gander, not >>> just at the massive Star Wars section - but also other sections, including >>> the one where he re-lives the entire minty white insert and lobby card >>> counterfeit saga - from his own point of view as a gallery owner of many >>> years in AZ. 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