However one wishes to describe them: A. Uncut Overrun Poster B. Printer's Test C. Printer's Proof
Regardless of what they really truly are, and I doubt that anyone will ever have a definitive answer, they are rarer, much more valuable, and much more desirable than a regular one sheet. Poster collectors have spoken time and time again by paying high prices at auction and at retail. Dave On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 6:13 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > David, > > I have do not doubt that they are original and that employees took them > home. My question remains, though: Are these actually test prints or just > uncut onesheets? After all, that color control bar was on every single > sheet they printed and the posters were cut to size afterwards. > > Unlike digital printing, where you can print (and usually pay for) exact > numbers, with analog offset the majority of the cost is in the prepress > process. While it is perfectly possible to print five or ten test posters, > once the actual production has started, it did not make much of a > difference if they printed 10,000 or 11,000 copies. In fact, it is > basically impossible to print a perfectly 'exact' number on those big > machines. So there usually was an overrun, and it is perfectly plausible > that employees would've been allowed to take some of them home. In case of > STAR WARS it may have even been an intentional overrun, who knows. > > My point being: In my book, an uncut overrun poster is just that. For me, > it does not qualify as a 'test print' or 'printer's proof'. It's simply a > onesheet that has not been cut down to size. > > Helmut > > > *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 26. November 2023 um 13:49 Uhr > *Von:* "David Lieberman" <[email protected]> > *An:* [email protected] > *Betreff:* Re: [MOPO] STAR WARS PROOFS 💥 CineMasterpieces VINTAGE MOVIE > POSTERS > one last note......the proofs that were made into book covers were from > REVENGE OF THE JEDI. > > now everybody scream! > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 5:27 AM David Lieberman < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I forgot ANIMAL HOUSE, the advance and regular one sheets. Another title >> with a lot of proofs. >> >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 5:16 AM David Lieberman < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> "why do we see so many of the STAR WARS tests in comparison to any other >>> title?" >>> >>> Great question Helmut. I wondered about this for a long time. After >>> acquiring several of these proofs from at least four or five different >>> former print shop employees over the past 20 years, I finally had a lengthy >>> discussion with one of them and his answer was this. First of all, it isn't >>> just Star Wars, there are a few other titles from that era 1977-1980 where >>> a lot of proofs exist. There are a lot of JAWS 2, CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE >>> THIRD KIND, and a few other nothing titles that no one really cares about. >>> A lot of these haven't survived or haven't been noticed on ebay or other >>> auction sites over the past 40+ years because no one really wants them and >>> they don't sell for much. Secondly......these former employees were >>> basically just kids at the time mostly in their early twenties. They took >>> stuff home all the time that was meant for the dumpster because they were >>> allowed to. They took stuff that they thought was "cool". Star Wars was >>> cool and became collectible almost immediately. One of our clients who used >>> to work at GORE GRAPHICS told me about his kids in the 1980's who took some >>> of his proofs and made book covers for their school books to show off to >>> their classmates. >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 4:47 AM Helmut Hamm <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Whatever you want to call them, test printings or proofs: When it comes >>>> to STAR WARS, there way too many of these around for my taste. Bruce alone >>>> has auctioned more than thirty copies of the Style C Onesheet 'test print'. >>>> Frankly, I can't see any difference to the regular onesheets. >>>> Actually, they just look like untrimmed onesheets to me. >>>> >>>> As to all of these being 'test prints' that were 'sent out to the >>>> client for confirmation': For all I know, this is NOT common practice for >>>> print shops anywhere in the world, and it never was. If that was the case, >>>> why do we see so many of the STAR WARS tests in comparison to any other >>>> title? This does not make any sense to me. >>>> >>>> Here's an actual test print for the BLADE RUNNER onesheet: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.filmposter.net/en/blade-runner-original-release-us-test-proof-movie-poster.html >>>> >>>> As all print shops do, the printer saved a small number of these >>>> posters (for all I know, it was more than five, but less than ten) for >>>> their archive. These prints came to the market after the company folded and >>>> somebody cleared out their inventory. >>>> >>>> As you can see, the image is very different from the final onesheet. >>>> Apparently, somebody took a serious effort to get things right, but in the >>>> pre-digital days, creating a test like this was seriously expensive and >>>> therefore a rare exception, not common practice. >>>> >>>> Helmut >>>> >>>> >>>> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 25. November 2023 um 14:05 Uhr >>>> *Von:* "Bruce Hershenson" <[email protected]> >>>> *An:* [email protected] >>>> *Betreff:* Re: [MOPO] BLACK FRIDAY SALE 2023 💥 CineMasterpieces >>>> VINTAGE MOVIE POSTERS �� >>>> I agree he has a MASSIVE amount of super helpful information and bravo >>>> to Dave. especially where he helps newbies not get ripped off by eBay >>>> sellers openly selling fakes.. >>>> >>>> But does he still call "printer's test" posters "proofs"? I hope not, >>>> because 99% of the ones circulating in the hobby are test posters that were >>>> printed to get people's reactions before the final print run. >>>> >>>> The few true PROOF posters are sent back to the printer with markings >>>> as to what needs to be changed OR have an approval stamped area where it is >>>> OK'ed for printing. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 6:40 AM David Kusumoto < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Don't know how many others are on Dave Lieberman's newsletter but I >>>>> hadn't visited his site in a long time and I went straight to his Star >>>>> Wars >>>>> section - and I was floored by the wealth of information about almost >>>>> every >>>>> known poster iteration of Star Wars - from concept to its celebrated >>>>> inaugural year of 1977 - (theatrical and commercial) - in roughly >>>>> chronological order. The section includes detailed images and >>>>> descriptions >>>>> of known fakes, including personal testimonials of oddball things he >>>>> concedes he was initially fooled about like a lot of us. >>>>> >>>>> He also provides a detailed study of printer's proofs - which - while >>>>> I've never had the desire to collect nor own, is still interesting insofar >>>>> there are collectors who DO love and pay $$$ for them. He explains how >>>>> they came to be, their ubiquitous presence and the differences between PMS >>>>> (pantone) vs. CMYK proofs, which came first, etc. - and why it matters to >>>>> some collectors and not to others. Great stuff for SW completists. >>>>> >>>>> Encourage anyone interested to venture over there and take a gander, >>>>> not just at the massive Star Wars section - but also other sections, >>>>> including the one where he re-lives the entire minty white insert and >>>>> lobby >>>>> card counterfeit saga - from his own point of view as a gallery owner of >>>>> many years in AZ. He further provides in one section - a long list of >>>>> titles and accompanying formats he implicates as having been faked - in >>>>> line with other dealers who've said the same. He also sources the >>>>> geographic locations of some suspect dealers who - to this day - are still >>>>> peddling these things as originals. >>>>> >>>>> Between this, eMoviePoster, Learn About Movie Posters, Walter Reuben >>>>> and others - this is a storehouse of information grouped by category / >>>>> genre that's available right now - for free. >>>>> >>>>> Best, David near San Diego, still the biggest fan of the never-faked >>>>> (to date) - and grossly underrated Star Wars half-sheet from 1977 with >>>>> alternate Jung art. Cinemasterpieces image below. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> P.S. - The Chantrell art on the Style C is probably my true fav among >>>>> the SW one-sheets - were it not for the fakes and not even knowing until >>>>> recently about the "hair on Leia's back" as a marker on that style - sort >>>>> of a "bookend" to the style A repro. But I still think the alternate Jung >>>>> landscape art on the half-sheet is excellent and affordable - and after >>>>> nearly 50 years - it still puzzles me how unloved it is by so many. (Not >>>>> the centerpiece of anyone's SW collection that I know of.) 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