And seeing that posters described as 'proofs' were more valuable than
simply one sheets, that is hardly surprising.
Tommy
On Sun, 26 Nov 2023, 15:59 Bruce Hershenson,
<[email protected]> wrote:
If THAT'S not proof, I don't know what is!
On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 8:39 AM David Lieberman
<[email protected]> wrote:
one last thing:
Every single one of the former print shop employees we have received
these posters from has referred to them as "proofs".
Dave
On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 6:38 AM David Lieberman
<[email protected]> wrote:
However one wishes to describe them:
A. Uncut Overrun Poster
B. Printer's Test
C. Printer's Proof
Regardless of what they really truly are, and I doubt that anyone
will ever have a definitive answer, they are rarer, much more
valuable, and much more desirable than a regular one sheet. Poster
collectors have spoken time and time again by paying high prices at
auction and at retail.
Dave
On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 6:13 AM <[email protected]> wrote:
David,
I have do not doubt that they are original and that employees took
them home. My question remains, though: Are these actually test
prints or just uncut onesheets? After all, that color control bar
was on every single sheet they printed and the posters were cut to
size afterwards.
Unlike digital printing, where you can print (and usually pay for)
exact numbers, with analog offset the majority of the cost is in the
prepress process. While it is perfectly possible to print five or
ten test posters, once the actual production has started, it did not
make much of a difference if they printed 10,000 or 11,000 copies.
In fact, it is basically impossible to print a perfectly 'exact'
number on those big machines. So there usually was an overrun, and
it is perfectly plausible that employees would've been allowed to
take some of them home. In case of STAR WARS it may have even been
an intentional overrun, who knows.
My point being: In my book, an uncut overrun poster is just that.
For me, it does not qualify as a 'test print' or 'printer's proof'.
It's simply a onesheet that has not been cut down to size.
Helmut
GESENDET: Sonntag, 26. November 2023 um 13:49 Uhr
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one last note......the proofs that were made into book covers were
from REVENGE OF THE JEDI.
now everybody scream!
On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 5:27 AM David Lieberman
<[email protected]> wrote:
I forgot ANIMAL HOUSE, the advance and regular one sheets. Another
title with a lot of proofs.
On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 5:16 AM David Lieberman
<[email protected]> wrote:
"why do we see so many of the STAR WARS tests in comparison to any
other title?"
Great question Helmut. I wondered about this for a long time. After
acquiring several of these proofs from at least four or five
different former print shop employees over the past 20 years, I
finally had a lengthy discussion with one of them and his answer was
this. First of all, it isn't just Star Wars, there are a few other
titles from that era 1977-1980 where a lot of proofs exist. There
are a lot of JAWS 2, CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND, and a few
other nothing titles that no one really cares about. A lot of these
haven't survived or haven't been noticed on ebay or other auction
sites over the past 40+ years because no one really wants them and
they don't sell for much. Secondly......these former employees were
basically just kids at the time mostly in their early twenties. They
took stuff home all the time that was meant for the dumpster because
they were allowed to. They took stuff that they thought was "cool".
Star Wars was cool and became collectible almost immediately. One of
our clients who used to work at GORE GRAPHICS told me about his kids
in the 1980's who took some of his proofs and made book covers for
their school books to show off to their classmates.
On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 4:47 AM Helmut Hamm <[email protected]>
wrote:
Whatever you want to call them, test printings or proofs: When it
comes to STAR WARS, there way too many of these around for my taste.
Bruce alone has auctioned more than thirty copies of the Style C
Onesheet 'test print'. Frankly, I can't see any difference to the
regular onesheets. Actually, they just look like untrimmed onesheets
to me.
As to all of these being 'test prints' that were 'sent out to the
client for confirmation': For all I know, this is NOT common
practice for print shops anywhere in the world, and it never was. If
that was the case, why do we see so many of the STAR WARS tests in
comparison to any other title? This does not make any sense to me.
Here's an actual test print for the BLADE RUNNER onesheet:
https://www.filmposter.net/en/blade-runner-original-release-us-test-proof-movie-poster.html
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As all print shops do, the printer saved a small number of these
posters (for all I know, it was more than five, but less than ten)
for their archive. These prints came to the market after the company
folded and somebody cleared out their inventory.
As you can see, the image is very different from the final onesheet.
Apparently, somebody took a serious effort to get things right, but
in the pre-digital days, creating a test like this was seriously
expensive and therefore a rare exception, not common practice.
Helmut
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I agree he has a MASSIVE amount of super helpful information and
bravo to Dave. especially where he helps newbies not get ripped off
by eBay sellers openly selling fakes..
But does he still call "printer's test" posters "proofs"? I hope
not, because 99% of the ones circulating in the hobby are test
posters that were printed to get people's reactions before the final
print run.
The few true PROOF posters are sent back to the printer with
markings as to what needs to be changed OR have an approval stamped
area where it is OK'ed for printing.
On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 6:40 AM David Kusumoto
<[email protected]> wrote:
Don't know how many others are on Dave Lieberman's newsletter but I
hadn't visited his site in a long time and I went straight to his
Star Wars section - and I was floored by the wealth of information
about almost every known poster iteration of Star Wars - from
concept to its celebrated inaugural year of 1977 - (theatrical and
commercial) - in roughly chronological order. The section includes
detailed images and descriptions of known fakes, including personal
testimonials of oddball things he concedes he was initially fooled
about like a lot of us.
He also provides a detailed study of printer's proofs - which -
while I've never had the desire to collect nor own, is still
interesting insofar there are collectors who DO love and pay $$$ for
them. He explains how they came to be, their ubiquitous presence
and the differences between PMS (pantone) vs. CMYK proofs, which
came first, etc. - and why it matters to some collectors and not to
others. Great stuff for SW completists.
Encourage anyone interested to venture over there and take a gander,
not just at the massive Star Wars section - but also other sections,
including the one where he re-lives the entire minty white insert
and lobby card counterfeit saga - from his own point of view as a
gallery owner of many years in AZ. He further provides in one
section - a long list of titles and accompanying formats he
implicates as having been faked - in line with other dealers who've
said the same. He also sources the geographic locations of some
suspect dealers who - to this day - are still peddling these things
as originals.
Between this, eMoviePoster, Learn About Movie Posters, Walter Reuben
and others - this is a storehouse of information grouped by category
/ genre that's available right now - for free.
Best, David near San Diego, still the biggest fan of the never-faked
(to date) - and grossly underrated Star Wars half-sheet from 1977
with alternate Jung art. Cinemasterpieces image below.
P.S. - The Chantrell art on the Style C is probably my true fav
among the SW one-sheets - were it not for the fakes and not even
knowing until recently about the "hair on Leia's back" as a marker
on that style - sort of a "bookend" to the style A repro. But I
still think the alternate Jung landscape art on the half-sheet is
excellent and affordable - and after nearly 50 years - it still
puzzles me how unloved it is by so many. (Not the centerpiece of
anyone's SW collection that I know of.) I know it will never reach
the heights of a Casablanca of Oz half-sheet in my remaining
lifetime - (which are admittedly more rare) - but maybe future
generations of Disney fans will. -d.
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