----- Mensagem de [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------- Data: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 06:52:10 -0700 (PDT) De: Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Endereço para Resposta (Reply-To): [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assunto: Re: [MD] [Moq_Discuss] Aristotle & DQ Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [Ham] >> If I were a psychologist, I would conclude from >> these woeful complaints that >> your conscience is hurting and that you should take >> another walk in the >> woods. > > But your not... hahahahha! As to another walk in > the woods, but I will thank you. > > > [Ham] >> Just for the record, I have NEVER referred to anyone >> here as a "Parrot" -- >> with or without the cap "P". In fact, I've never >> even used the word. It >> was Ron who said "I'm not a Pirsig Parrot," as you >> now have also, so if the >> shoe fits, you can wear it. > > WoW! Sooorrrry! > > > [Ham] >> I have used the term "acolyte", which means >> "follower in the same path or >> group," to describe the MD participants in general. >> I've also suggested, >> here and elsewhere, that Mr. Pirsig has established >> something of a cult >> following, in the sense that his writings are >> constantly quoted to prove or >> refute the validity of the arguments debated. I >> think almost any outsider >> would agree with that assessment. > > Ok, on a MOQ website, we'd expect that. On a MOQ > website, an understanding of MoQ would help, but you > like your thesis, which is fine and dandy, as long as > you know it's YOUR thesis that uses Essentialism that > has a history. You quote Eckart (spelling?), so... > what's your point here anyways, maybe your just > sayin', I don't know. > > > [Ham] >> I have never claimed, let alone "insisted", that I >> know the MoQ better than >> its author. That would be ludicrous. > > When you discuss the MoQ in a way that clearly > differs from what Pirsig is saying, such as the basic > meanings of what static and dynamic are, maybe I'm > incorrect, maybe everybody here differs on what static > and dynamic are. You like to refer to the dictionary > as to what these terms mean, instead of understanding > what the MOQ is trying to do, which takes some > redefining - it is a metaphysics unto its' own. > You've redefined essence, I'd say same thing. > > [Ham] >> I'm sorry you feel that I talk over >> you. If this is true, it's certainly not >> intentional. I'm a "learner" here >> like all of you, and much of what I've learned about >> the MoQ has started >> with critical questionning. > > I think this "talking over me" stems from your > fringe understanding of the MoQ, which is very > unclear. You know your thesis much better, but I'd > say once you understand the MoQ then you could make a > better decision as to what the MoQ is, but then again, > I also didn't like pineapple pizza the first time I > tasted it and I still don't like it and maybe I never > will. > > > [Ham] >> Also, I don't understand the bit about my "copying" >> somebody else's >> philosophy. All philosophers borrow ideas from from >> each other, which is >> what has sustained Philosophy as a cumulative effort >> through the ages. > > I agree. It is your repeated use that the MoQ is > poetic. Are you saying it's NOT philosophic? Poetic > to me states something creative. Copying locks out > creativity. Much of this is probably due to me not > understanding your thesis as well as you do, but then > again I haven't spent years on an Essence website and > read books on Ham's Essence. Now as to the MoQ, I've > read some books and waded through a website about it > for over a year now, so I don't expect myself to > understand your thesis as much as you do. > > > [Ham] >> I think you misunderstand the process. You seem to > be >> implying that this is a >> form of plagiarism or "cheating" on my part. I can >> assure you that the >> fundamental tenets of Essentialism are my own, and >> if you find them stated >> by someone else calling himself an "essentialist", >> I'd surely like to know >> about it. > > NO, that's not what I'm saying. > > > [Ham] >> I know you like the MoQ and feel you've benefited >> from it, and I'm happy for >> you. I can even understand why a dissenter like me >> can be a thorn in your >> side. > > It's your dissent accompanying a seemingly > misunderstood view of what the MOQ basics are, such as > what static and dynamic means. Maybe I'm incorrect, > but that's how it seems. I've seen it before. You > come off as if you overlook the MOQ without any effort > to understand it, but then say its' wrong or > insufficient. I would say the same thing about > canoeing. If you've never tried it, then how can you > really say you do or don't like it. It's the same as > a child. They don't like green beans, but have they > tried them - no, then how can you say you don't like > it, try it once, but then again, my parents said this > to my brother when it came to red beets, so he finally > tried them and threw-up all over the place. He likes > red beets now and attributes his throwing-up to his > mental state at the time. > > > [Ham] >> But please don't accuse me of remarks and claims > that I didn't make, >> or take my remarks as an attack on you or anybody >> else. I hope we're all sufficiently grown-up to > distinguish healthy >> criticism from personal insults. > > > I hope so... > > breezy, > SA > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. > http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php[1] > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org[2] > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/[3] > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/[4] > ----- Final da mensagem de [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Links: ------ [1] /horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnew.toolbar.yahoo.com%2Ftoolbar%2Ffeatures%2Fmail%2Findex.php [2] /horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.moqtalk.org%2Flistinfo.cgi%2Fmoq_discuss-moqtalk.org [3] /horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.moqtalk.org%2Fpipermail%2Fmoq_discuss-moqtalk.org%2F [4] /horde/services/go.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmoq.org.uk%2Fpipermail%2Fmoq_discuss_archive%2F Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
