[Ron]
> I'm all about the practicle applications too, I was
getting the feeling
> from Ham that I was beginning to be interpreted as a
> spokesperson for the MOQ
Ham just says that about everybody that discusses
the MOQ. Notice Ham doesn't discuss the MoQ, and when
he tries to, he does so incorrectly or in other words,
he does so in such a way that comes across unclear and
differing from others that TRY to understand the MoQ.
Ham attacks the MoQ, and uses it in a very fringe,
different, and unclear way. Ham is just trying to
solicit/sell his book and thesis.
[Ron]
> and wanted to emphisize that I was expressing my own
thoughts
> on the subject which are not always aligned with
Pirsigs.
We have our own voice, but Ham doesn't understand
these creative events. He's convinced me of this.
Also, watch out for giving Ham any ideas. He uses
this website, and maybe others, to jolt his mind into
new ways of understanding his own thesis. Ham doesn't
know his own thesis. He doesn't have his thesis all
figured out, or didn't some months ago, but maybe he
fixed his loose ends - as I pull weeds from my garden,
the garden plants I want to eat have a bettter and
better probability of ending up in my stomach.
[Ron]
> Parrot was my term(philosophology). Pirsig appeals
to me because
> he approaches the whole philosophy thing on a gut
level practical
> way of common understanding in which he hits on the
same
> questions we all have.
Ham's thesis is interesting, too. I have had
many stimulating conversations with Ham, that
electrified my mind. Yet, when you start to think on
YOUR OWN, Ham will NOT agree and will pull the
discussion back to what he wants - for it is HIS
thesis, and HIS thesis has a very certain way that
'things' must be put or must add up in conclusion.
There is no room for your own understanding. His
thesis is locked into an ABSOLUTE way. It is Ham's
painting. We all paint our picture, and I see Ham's,
but I like mine.
[Ron]
> He makes my brain juice flow. I like that.
Yes, the MoQ allows for creativity. When birds
fly and sing at this very moment it is dynamic, and
also static. This very moment is alive and at the gut
level and the MoQ allows for this finger tip
experience to be within philosophy. The MoQ is not an
all in ones head philosophy with ideas always covering
up the world. When the wind blows and I feel this
wind on my skin the MoQ is alive with the event for
the MoQ is NOT ONLY on the intellectual level.
thanks.
woods,
SA
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