[Marsha] I think Ant states it clearly in his PhD thesis:
As Pirsig rejects both mind-substance (i.e. the 'ghost') and matter-substance (i.e. the 'machine') oriented ontologies of the world, he employs one underpinned by value based events, Quality is considered the source of subjects and objects and can be regarded as a Dynamic event (1995a, p.12); an 'event at which the subject becomes aware of the object.' (ZMM, 1974a, p.239) These Quality events (or processes), therefore, obtain the status as the fundamental unit or 'primitives' of the universe and provide a unity between the observer and the observed; knowing mind and object. (A Critical Analysis of Robert Pirsig's Metaphysics of Quality,2005,Watts, p.133) [Ron] Greetings, Quality or value Happens when subject meets object. my question, no one is able to answer, not because my cup is full but no one has answered it yet, they keep posting clips of the same statement. the one above. my question is this, how can value both preceed and happen as result of subject meeting object? how does it both create subject and object and result from subject and object meeting? I ask: can it not be interpreted 2 possible ways? a third even if it is interpreted as both being true? it's all I'm askin. and all I'm observin is how these interpretations manifest themselves here in the forum. I'm of your ilk, I see all as one. but some here see value preceeding s/o too and they are just as vindicated in their interpretation. I ask if value preceeds s/o it alludes to a subjective standpoint of projecting ourselves on the universe we experience. I'm open to any and all thoughts on this. thanks Marsha Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
