[Matt]
> So when we come to the idea of idealism and "do
> ideas actually come before matter?", the first thing
> to realize is that idealism and scientific
> realism/materialism are only options for those still
> living under the dichotomous poles of Subject and
> Object. Which is what everybody says. But what
> does that mean? I think it means is that 1) it is
> difficult to stop sounding like you're swinging
> between the two poles, but 2) it's a paradigm shift
> in thinking where you just stop seeing the problem
> of swinging back and forth.
I don't know about 2) from above or 1). I may
sound like I'm swinging back and forth due to
another's perspective that can't understand. As to 2)
I believe a teacher will still notice the problem in
the student, but that doesn't mean the teacher hasn't
been able to shift paradigm's. Understandably though,
a 1) and 2) approach to a problem or discussion can't
really sum it all up, wouldn't you agree?
[Matt]
> The pragmatism of
> Pirsig desires a retiring of idle philosophical
> theses in the hopes of relaxing our minds of idle
> anxieties that mean quite little to problems that
> matter.
I agree with you on this. If you know it, then
you know it. As it states in the beginning of ZMM as
follows:
"And what is good, Phædrus,
And what is not good...
Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?"
Apparently, I for one, have asked for these
"...need(s)... to tell...", but as gav recently said,
"undifferentiated reality is an immersive
experience... extending the duration of immersion is
the whole ball
game as far as i can tell."
woods,
SA
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