[Ham]
Mr. Prisig chose to call reality Quality, which has real meaning as a
subjective assessment of something but cannot be equated with Essence
as the fundamental reality.
[Ron]
May we focus on this aspect for a bit? In this way, how does Essence
differ
from Quality? As I interpret it Essence is the absolute "stuf" of
reality before
it reaches the senses and becomes broken down and interpreted into
identifiable phenom.
I believe Pirsigs Quality roughly equates to the same concept.
Pirsig interpolates Quality into the workings of objective reality
(static patterns)
and introduces the concept of looking at molecules "prefering" each
other instead
of the classic view of positive and negative charge. He also introduces
the concept
that this phenomena is a "moral" phenomena due to the percieved choice
making
process. In this way he postulates that value may not only be a
perceptual phenomena.
This seems to contradict his other assessment of percieved reality being
primarily
a culturaly derived perception. The question seems to be is: Is Pirsigs
assessment
of universal Quality merely a projected cultural perception by his own
description?
Ham also has a point about Quality and value being rather broad umbrella
terms with their meanings
changing in reference to static contexts of subjective and objective
reference.
These two aspects, in my opinion, do cause some confusion.
Ham, I believe, is not interpolating into the objective/static as much
when he contends
that subjective value sense is the only thing by which we can know
anything. The fact
being that individual minds percieving a universal continuity
establishes an absolute source
of perceptual reality while still maintaining individual perception of
this shared phenomena.
Ham sees the ulimate value, the value of the individual with this
source of percieved
reality. This relationship is what is important not so much the positing
of a universal
concept of how objective/static reality works empiricly.
Ham is more of a humanist where Pirsig is more of an empiricist.
I summed this up to the best of my perpective of both views.
thoughts?
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