> [Ham]
> "Ultimate value" is the relation of the negate
> (individual self) to the
> source (Essence). This value is not directly
> experienced but only
> sensed, pre-intellectually.
So, not directly experienced, but sensed? And
sensed pre-intellectually, but not directly
experienced? So, what is this sense of yours that you
don't experience, but yet you sense preintellectually,
but still you have no experience of it?
SA
The physiological
> organism breaks value
> down into differentiated sensations from which the
> intellect constructs
> empirical reality (things and events that appear in
> space/time).
> [Ron]
> Thank you for cleaning up my meaning.
>
> > Ham is more of a humanist where Pirsig is more of
> an empiricist.
> [Ham]
> That's your characterization, Ron. I'm not sure
> what a humanist is. (I
> hope it doesn't imply humanitarian!) Webster's
> Collegiate defines
> Humanism as "devotion to the humanities:
> literary culture." I would think that is more
> idiosyncratic of a
> novelist and man of letters like Pirsig than a
> non-academic like myself.
> As an anthropocentrist, I believe that the human
> individual is the free
> agent of the universe. So perhaps "individualist"
> would be a more
> appropriate term.
>
> [Ron]
> Perhaps it would, I was trying to convey that you
> seem (to me) to focus
> on relationships in regard to the
> individual rather than an empirical understanding as
> a whole. Your view
> IMO takes a more personal approach.
> [Ham]
> Thanks, Ron. And kindly explain what you meant by
> the statement
> "...individual minds perceiving a universal
> continuity establishes an
> absolute source of perceptual reality."
> [Ron]
> Well I meant that the evidence for source lies in
> the continuity of
> percieved objects. That object may
> mean and appear differently to different individuals
> but the basic
> objective descriptive reference is the same.
> ie. a blue ball. 20 out of 20 individuals will all
> recognize the object
> as being blue, round, and perhaps
> a ball. these 20 people may differ on hue and shade
> of the ball or size
> or whether or not they like the color
> blue or the shape or meaning ect. But you are
> certainly correct in
> pointing out that source is a concept.
>
> I'm trying to bring both concepts together,
> Essentialsim and MOQ in an
> effort to enrich understanding of both
> and perhaps break new ground.
>
> Essentially yours,
> Ron
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