In your message barrage on 21 Oct: you also said :
> My intellectual history has alot of non-SOM content in it. > Take a look at Charles Taylor's Sources of the Self I would like to see examples of "non-SOM INTELLECTUAL content" Bo earlier: > > Yes, the S/O - or intellectual value - returned from its Medieval > > hibernating with the Renaissance and slowly worked itself upwards in > > the social-value dominated Europe. Magna Charta, Habeas Corpus, and > > the Bruno, Kepler and Galileo affairs were mileposts, but I would > > say that the French revolution and the following Enlightenment > > really accelerated its progress. But according to Pirsig it was not > > until the end of WW1 that intellect took command in the European > > theatre. > DM: Yet there have always been those trying to challenge Enlightment > blind spots, Blake,the great Romantics, Jung and there is a social > class struggle in this Enlightenment movement too that is far from > intellectual. You have some strange notions of what "intellectual" and "social" means in a MOQ context. When king and nobility were toppled by the French revolution and the burgoise came to power, it was an upheaval of the French society, but NOT social in the sense of (in the social level's hey-day) when one despot overturned another. The French, the American, the Russian revolutions were all about the intellectual level taking over from the social level, displacing the latter's view that the human condition is god-given with its own view that OBJECTIVELY seen all men are equal. The Romantics among with many other did not liked the new "objectivity". Fascism and the Nazism were the social order's last stand in Europe, but intellect has taken over completely in the Western world. Nowadays the intellect vs society conflict has moved to a stage called "western values vs islam". The islamists struggle desperately to keep their world pure from this destructive un-godly force, but the outcome is given. Intellect will prevail. Finally regarding resistance against intellect. Pirsig himself began as a protestant and for him the pre SOM - Aretê - era looked ideal and he identified it with Quality. Now, in the MOQ no level or era has been dynamic or ideal - to the contrary the static evolution is one of betterment - thus the coming of SOM was no "out of Eden" but intellect's emergence out the social level. However the two books ZAMM and LILA has brought much trouble, Pirsig seems unwilling to see the obvious, and the new MOQ "elders" - Anthony, (once) Paul Turner and now DMB - avoid this issue like the plague. Enough Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
