Hi Bo See comments below.
BO: > Well, as in the "what came first: SOM or Knowledge " question, > this is much of the same "hen vs egg" paradox. DM: My point, is that a full undertstanding has to consider all the chickens and eggs involved and that causality flows up and down the levels. A man can redirect water to the dam or if he gets his actions wrong, fall in and drown. > The basic struggle is intellect's "all men are free and equal" vs > the religious "accept your lot because it's God's will." What new > struggles that don't fit this pattern I would like to learn about. DM: Religion is made up of many, often conflicting, aims, seeing one as the most significant is a simplification. > > Seeing the muslim world as a repressed class using religion as a > tool to get their natural born rights isn't viable. If so the muslims > who have moved to the West would be happy to have their > freedom and rights? Instead they want the oppression - religion - > they left introduced in the Western societies, and strap on > explosive rucksacks to make their point. DM: This is not true of the vast majority so that ruins your analysis. > > You can hope for "much change in the Islamic world" but it will > never come about. A democratic, secular, muslim country is an > oxymoron. > DM: I propose Turkey as a clear example. > I don't know if it's my analysis you deem "dodgy", but IMO it's all > these well-meaning "complexity" analysis leading nowhere, > except avoiding reality which are to blame. > DM: Nothing well meaning,it just seems far more complex to me. Beware of over simplification. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
