Hi Bo, you said to David M,

"Yes, things are complicated but history has told us that complexity
is the lack of the right explanation. Ref. the Ptolemaian cosmology's
baffling complexity and Copernicus who made it wonderful simple."

Don't agree Bo, yes in your example (which is Pythagorean / Netwonian
thru and thru - still ignores the 3-body problem and relativistic
effects) a simple transform of axis from earth centerd to sun centred
simplified the baffling motions. But there is no "complexity" in this
example - just simple geometry - perfect circles. The second
explanation is higher quality, but the level of complexity is
unchanged.

Complexity is not in general simplified by the right explanation.
Complexity - two-way causality as David's example suggests - really
exists and is represented by the emergent patterns or "attractors" -
but isn't "explained" away.

We have an expression in my industry - "the conservation of
complexity" - in solving information management problems we always use
"simpifications" but that doesn't simplify the problem it just
simplifies the incomplete solution - reality (and reality including
sentient beings - like humans) remains complex.

Ian
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