SA,
but is intellect being
questioned here?  Are people trying to say intellect
is not involved in these activities?  I would find it
difficult to see how these exercises do not involve
intellect.  Now some may say dialectical is more
rational, experience is more rational, etc..., so, I
don't think it is intellect being questioned as
present or not.  I think it is more the KIND of
intellect that is under question, and where a certain
number of people thrive to define and make more
static.
     Intellect, being a pattern of quality, is what
one knows when they see it, but find it even more
difficult to define - for it is quality anyways.

[Ron]
I agree SA, Good post.


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