[Bo quotes Pirsig]
> Descartes' "I think therefore I am" was a
> historically
> shattering declaration of independence of the
> intellectual
> level of evolution from the social level of
> evolution, but
> would he have said it if he had been a
> seventeenth
> century Chinese philosopher? If he had been,
> would
> anyone in seventeenth century China have
> listened to
> him and called him a brilliant thinker and
> recorded his
> name in history? If Descartes had said, "The
> seventeenth
> century French culture exists, therefore I
> think, therefore I
> am," he would have been correct.
[Bo]
> Here he introduces Descartes as an intellectual who
> is blind to
> this fact. However, the way he uses China I'm not
> sure what
> means, he obviously regards the Chinese a culture
> where
> intellectual level isn't dominant, but is it pre- or
> post intellect?
Your so stuck on this intellectual definition. He
brings up China to show that culture influenced
Descartes "I think therefore I am", thus, Pirsig says
if Descartes would have said, "'The seventeenth
century French culture exists, therefore I think,
therefore I am,' he would have been correct."
In China Descartes would not have been a big hit
to pass down such a saying through the ages, thus
Pirsig says, "(would) China have listened to him and
called him a brilliant thinker and recorded his name
in history?" Pirsig is comparing cultures and the
people and their intellectual patterns cultivated from
such cultures during this quote of yours. Why your
"obviously" I've got no clue?
[Bo]
> But this solution has caused much trouble. First of
> all it's not only
> intellect that denies its parent, it's a major MOQ
> tenet that ALL
> levels hate each other, this "conflict" is not
> supposed to be
> solved, only understood from MOQ's meta-level (that
> may be a solution though)
Wow, this "conflict" and "hate" of yours? The
intellectual levels is not to destroy the social
level, remember?
[Bo]
> Not much about buddhism, but I stick to to the MOQ
Bo, you stick with the moq? Wow, now that's so
old-fashion. We threw out the moq a long time ago.
It was deemed wrong, charges were pressed, and the
jail term was set at 20 life sentences. The key was
thrown out, but it seems the moq has escaped, and your
the only one that sticks to the moq. Thank G-d for
Bo!!!! Hip-hip-hooray!
zen,
SA
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