> [SA previously]
> Krimel, I agree with you here. I would go as far
> to state that change is the impression of dynamic
> quality. By noting change I would say one has been
> able to staticly latch or staticly suggest something
> even if this something is as vague as change. I
> also see the levels, as "we ascend them" do increase
in
> the rate of change, thus, freeing them up for
change.
> The inorganic level doesn't change much. Chaos is
> another topic of course, which is a dismissal of any
> staticness.
> [Krimel]
> Actually, I think and have said many times that
> Chaos is the topic.
By chaos, I'm referring to where no static
latches occur, no static patterns occur, and thus,
dynamic quality would never organize. I understand
what you refer to as chaos organizing into patterns
static enough to be distinct and orderly. These seem
to be two difference understandings. What do you
think?
> [SA previously]
> [This is an interesting correlation between
> intellect and society. Perhaps, also, western
> philosophy is influenced by the Christian notion or
> the Christian notion is influenced by (either way
> this is a notion in society today) earth is evil,
> material things are evil, and as we are swollowed up
by more
> and more materialistic ventures or accumulative
> valuing in our daily routine (as opposed to the
> higher quality pursuits of social and intellectual
> patterns) the feedback between material things are
bad and
> material things are needed might have something to
> do with getting the intellectual patterns away from
a
> everyday living. As in the cartoon Nemo when the
> little girl loudly taps on the aquarium where the
> starfish is, and the starfish keeps saying, "Find a
> happy place, find a happy place, find a happy
> place!".
> [Krimel]
> This notion of the material world being evil seems
> to arise from the
> Platonic forms. My take is that Plato realized the
> value of the pure
> constructions of the mathematical world idealized in
> Greek geometry. A
> Euclidian triangle is perfect. The triangle we draw
> with a compass and
> protractor is not. The dread of the material world
> that you note is an
> extension of this.
> Christianity is a synthesis of Greek philosophy and
> Jewish ethics but that
> is another topic...
Yes, I agree with you here. I couldn't remember
which came first historically due to the "fall of
humankind" being spouted here a lot recently on this
forum. I have heard that Jews don't have a concept of
hell, but I've never delved into these historical
concepts that much. It is admittedly interesting.
thanks.
blue,
SA
____________________________________________________________________________________
Be a better pen pal.
Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.
http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
Moq_Discuss mailing list
Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.
http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org
Archives:
http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/
http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
