Hi Ron, (and Matt and Bo et al) this is the recurring debate ... however general agreement is that the distinction between social and intellectual is NOT individual vs collective ...
Myself (and Matt) have given suggestions on the distinction ... Social and intellectual levels are part of a cultural continuum. Intelligence and language (symbolic, semantic, communication and metaphor) apply across the whole spectrum. What passes for intellectual is decided socially. Across that continuum, at the social end, things are accepted (relatively unquestioning) on the basis of convention and/or authority, myth etc, at the intellectual end things are relatively open to questioning and reasoning .... but its the cultural continuum as a whole that decides what kind of questioning and reasoning is "intellectual" and what is "old-hat". Intellectual is a kind of "snobbery" looking down the nose from the pinnacle of most-enlightened reasoning. But that perspective is of course subjective, and open to cultural debate (and evolution) .... as this forum proves. My only reason to continue this particular debate any further is to bottom out the discussion with Bo as to where MoQ fits in with Level 4 itself, or whether Bo is right that we should just treat level 4 as a "static" representation of GOF-Intellect - Traditional Empirical Logical Subject-Object reasoning .... and anything better than that, like the MoQ itself is outside the levels .... something more metaphysical. I don't buy that (yet). I'm a pragmatist. For me MoQ is just a (very good) meme competing for acceptance in the socio-cultural-intellectual Level 3/4. Part of the evolution of Level 3/4. Ian On 11/14/07, Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian: > Agreed. But the point is it's a creative tool on the social level too > ... so in itself .... language, symbol manipulation, communication ... > does not help distinguish what is intellectual. > > Ron: > Perhaps intellectual is the individual manifestation of culture > Or culture of the individual. > > Ian > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
