I think this fits, surely some will disagree but let me put it out there: Intellectual is the VALUE of the individual to the social/cultural. The reason why intellectual is so wily to pin down is because It introduces the value of the individual to their culture. In the levels we transform from collective generalizations to The relationship of specific Individual experience to the whole. The value being based on the contributing factor. Based on this, MOQ becomes a high value contribution to the social Level and it is this which defines it's intellectual pattern.
Its intellectual pattern stresses this point. And might make it The highest value of intellectual patterns. Thoughts? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Kulp Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MD] subject/object: pragmatism And Ron, bringing in Peter's point (from Bo) ... ... is that the S/O distinction is itself a distinction of intellect over social. What I have inlcuded as "self-aware reasoning" would be seen as more intellectual than just intelligent .... Some intelligent things communicate symbolically, linguistically, without any signs of self-conscious reflective reasoning. I should work that into my summary. Ian, Good points, I was meaning more along the lines of not individual v.s. The collective so much as what the individual experience brings to The social/cultural table. Intellectual would be what the Individual contributes to the society/culture. And like you said "freedom of expression" plays an important role In relation to cultural/social acceptance of individual expression Which in turn becomes a factor in the evolution of said social/culture. Pirsigs latching metaphor comes to mind. -Ron Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
