Ron: "Is one a lo-value conformist or a high value Individual which resists this conformity."
This was too hasty a statement I must admit. The conformist to culture Certainly has it's high value but I'm speaking from an intellectual Understanding and using that qualifier as my basis for the statement I did not mean it in a generalized way. Apologies. -R -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Kulp Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MD] subject/object: pragmatism [Ron} > This is what I'm stressing by trying to gain a clearer > Understanding of just what is meant by intellectual. > And why it so easy to misinterpret it's meaning. > Simply because culture is made up of intellectual concepts > Constantly evolving by contributions from individuals. > Let me clarify that this is a dynamic symbiotic relationship. > Society is a collection of intellectual patterns agreed apon > By a collection of individuals. What describes an intellectual pattern > Is the value of the contribution to the social collection. > I am not using this term to be reduced to the concept of a collective > mind Platt: In view of the competing differences between levels described above, I hesitate to characterize the relationship between society and intellect as "symbiotic," meaning a cooperative relationship. Certainly society uses intellectual patterns to acquire the necessities to keep the Giant in business, but then intellect shook off the Giant's grip in pursuit of truth. That this pursuit finds fruition in exceptional individuals like Newton, Einstein and Salk is undeniable. Even in realms above the intellectual such as the arts where truth transcends boundaries and definitions, the path is led by exceptional individuals like Shakespeare, Rembrandt and Beethoven. The competitive tension between the social and intellectual levels is neatly summed up by Pirsig in Chapter 7 of Lila: "Everybody wants their children to be valedictorians, but nobody is supposed to be better than anybody else." The battle rages to this day. Ron: Well said, I never did say that the symbiotic relationship Was not in conflict in any way but the conflict itself Defines the relationship as per your statement. It's the scale of the value Is one a lo-value conformist or a high value Individual which resists this conformity. This seems to define the intellectual value. Following the giant is usually seen as conservative In culture while resisting it is seen as liberating Ones self from it. The intellect is discerning What to conform to and what to liberate ones Self from. This difference of opinion Seems to fuel the battle. Thanks Platt, good points. Regards, Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
