Ron:
Krimel, I think what Dmb is saying is that MoQ. 's levels were not
Meant to be looked at objectively because
When you look at a complex adaptive system this way it is impossible
To separate the levels and find their origins for the levels are
An emergent process not a static collection.
Your Zoom metaphor works well with this type of level structure.

When Pirsig uses the Pre-intellect term it implies the reduction
Of intellect which in turn leads to the reduction of social which
Will then imply the reduction of biological.
It succumbs to the infinite reduction paradox.

This should cause us to view the term pre-intellect
In a different light. Technically there is no
Pre-intellect in regard to how intellect is defined
Within the MoQ levels except when understood in terms
As a process of experience. Which Marsha wisely
Suggested.

Humans are constantly in a process of creating
Themselves.

When pre-intellect is viewed objectively
It takes us to the tips of our senses.

When pre-intellect is viewed culturally
It takes one down to pre-opinion which
Is an aggregate of social and individual
Experience

When viewed as a complex adaptive system
It is immediate experience or pure
Because it has not yet joined with
Cultural and individual experience
To form the complete experience of
A human being.











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