Ian, All
23 Nov. you said:
> Bo it seems to me he's evading giving you the answer you want to hear,
> but is patently clear that he does NOT intend the 4th / intellectual
> level to be seen simply as SOM, not even historically.
THAT much I have figured out ;-).
> In fact he's confirming what several have been asserting on here ...
> that SOM pervades the social level too.
Ditto!
> The fact he avoids giving (in that letter) any clearer indication of
> what intellect actually is, suggests as DMB did recently that we
> "know" the social / intellectual differences (pragmatically) but
> really do not have any definitive distinction. (This is entirely
> consistent with my own preferred view ... but that's another story.)
No level is defined, the first and second are self-evident. The 3rd.
may also look self-evident, but it has a MOQ particular MOQ
flavour and this flavour increases when it comes to the 4th. As
Pirsig says in the said letter:
"... but not intellectual in the MOQ sense"..
In "Lila's Child" (p.64) he says: "
In LILA I never defined the intellectual level since
everyone who is up to reading LILA already knows what
intellectual means."
But in the letter he refers to the early books of the Bible as
lacking intellectual value, thus reading books is no intellectual
criterion ..IN A MOQ SENSE!!! .. and this is plainly the S/O
SENSE!! Why did he not return Q-intellect its original and true
definition instead of ensnaring himself in the logical flaws of the
said letter?
I'm not exactly asking you Ian, just venting my frustration. You
once referred to "GOF SOM" as the 4th. level. At first I thought
you thereby saw the 4th. level as the S/O distinction, but it was a
false hope. You still see SOM as just pervading intellect. WHAT
exactly does it pervade, without (in a P. fashion) answer
"intellect"?
One more: The static levels are blind to the level context (not to
quality though) the Q context is only seen from MOQ's meta-
level. The 4th. level by itself is SOM and its "intellect" is the
subject - the mind - that peers out at the objective world. If this is
made into MOQ's 4th. level, it all turns haywire something that
has truly happened.
Bo
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