Hi Krim/SA Does random mean that what happens involves no act of choice? -or a sort of indifference. Yet, everything we experience has a value whether good, bad or, in fact, felt indifference. How can we know that any events are random and not preferred?
David M Everything comes from nothing... When there is nothing then everything is possible (certainly no rules against it, nothing=no rules) How did the actual kick off? When everything was no longer possible? Is that a definition of being finite? The trouble starts as soon as you make the first move, same as noughts and crosses but without the matrix on the paper! David M Imagine randomness as some here have suggested it to be. Total chaos complete randomness in every possible meaning of the term. I think you see this as a field of infinite possibility or if you will, a sort of stem cell for reality. I like the idea. But in such a field any patterns that emerge act as constraints on future possibility. In such a field if anything can happen something will. Relationships will form. As SA points out the first rock thrown into the pond sets the rhythm of the waves. The first waves limit the degrees of freedom available to any future waves. Each new wave is influenced by the ripples that precede it. This is the origin of SQ. To say there is a pattern is to say that the limits of variability are defined. A pattern is a range of probability. As we learn in pre-school for a pattern to hold it has to stay inside the lines. A Static Pattern has to be stable over time. The longer it remains static the more influence it has over future possibilities. While certain aspects of this resemble tic tac toe; it really isn't as bleakly deterministic as that. The more complex the SQ becomes the more possible interactions can occur between static patterns. The more possibility is limited, the freer actuality becomes. As possibility closes at the lower level it opens at a higher level. Or one might say new static patterns arise dynamically from static foundations. Our experience of all of this is shaped primarily by our biology. We are organisms confined within certain biologically ordained limits. Each of us has a range of possibility. Our "values" are mainly emotional responses that have evolved through biological process and are expressed as biological responses. (Elevated heart rate, changes in the output of various glands, redistribution of our blood supply, involuntary contraction of muscles, especially in the face) Our emotions play a vital role in our survival as individuals and as a species. They exist in use in kind and in proportion to their evolutionary Value. Emotions are for the most part, in most of us, purely autonomic and outside of conscious control. We do no choose to be happy any more that we choose major depression. We do not choose to fall in love or to be awed by a work of art. While we might learn consciously to appreciate certain kinds of art or a certain type of person; these learned preferences affect who specifically we love or which pieces of art inspire us but they do not alter the fundamental nature of these biological responses. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
