Ron & Ian 10 Dec. Ron cited Ian who had cited Steve asking Platt and me:
> Are you two saying that the 4th level is SOM? If so, is the MOQ a > fifth level? and Ian continued in a resigned tone: > I've offered that interpretation back to Bo a hundred times before, > and debated at length. (be interested to see the response. Never seen > Platt show an interest in that before.) And I have replied just as many times that the MOQ is no 5th STATIC level. As Platt so brilliantly pointed out, even Pirsig envisioned a fourth moral code above intellect which is clearly the "artwork" of creating the MOQ which takes intellect down a peg from its haughty SOM role to that of the 4th. static level. > Ron: > Hell, if your going to call SOM the 4th level you may as well call it > the 3rd too. If you're defining the western culture of today as > reality that is. (which one can technically justify in doing) But > you're really not gaining much understanding this way. I'm not sure where Ron is? What ".. you may as well call it (SOM) the 3rd. too" means? But I will claim that an enormous understanding is gained by seeing the "western culture" as a result of the S/O distinction - the 4th. level's control of the 3rd can not be overrated. Besides that IS the understanding whole passages of LILA conveys, also that intellect has overdone its control and created social havoc. > The levels are already outside SOM, that's the whole point. > SOM as well as MOQ is an intellectual pattern, the difference is that > SOM is also cultural today. When SOM first emerged it transcended > Culture but then this intellectual pattern freed itself and became > Cultural pattern as well. The urge to want to see a 5th level arises > from This phenomena. SOM plays a double role in the fact that western > culture has become an intellectual culture. The intellectual level > struggling to Free itself from an Intellectual society. It certainly > presents a new twist and I feel is the center of the confusion. > But Bo may disagree. Had I just understood it ;-) Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
