Ron and David, Just for the record, your two points are the way I see, it if I were not trying to accomodate Bo's view of Level 4 as SOM.
3 and 4 represent one (human) cultural level, based thorughout on a self-conscious view of the world (SOMism), dominated by tradition and authority at the low end and led at its cutting edge by MoQ (and similar enligtened thinking) at the other. Ian On 12/10/07, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all > > Suggest: the MOQ is on the current cutting edge of the 4th level. > The 4th level is still evolving/developing. > > DM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steven Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 3:37 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] Knowledge as MOQ's intellect > > > > Hi Platt, > > > > Pirsig said the MOQ is an intellectual pattern and therefore part of the > > fourth level and he never described a fifth level. > > I agree with him. I can't see the MOQ as part of a fifth level because a > > fifth level would have to be categorically different from the fourth in > > the way that a living being is different from an inanimate object or a > > city is different from a living being or an essay is different from a > > city. I don't see this sort of difference in kind between the MOQ and some > > version of SOM. They are both still philosophies. > > > > Reagrds, > > Steve > > > > > > > > On Monday, December 10, 2007, at 05:53AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Quoting Steven Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> > >>> Hi Platt and Bo, > >>> > >>> Are you two saying that the 4th level is SOM? If so, is the OQ a fifth > >>> level? > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Steve > >> > >>Hi Steve, > >> > >>I can't speak for Bo but I think the 4th level is SOM. The MOQ stands at > >>the > >>lower end of the 5th or art level because values are closely associated > >>with > >>aesthetics. To reflect that association, I think Pirsig chose the art form > >>of > >>the novel to present his metaphysics. > >> > >>IMO, > >>Platt > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------- > >>This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > >>Moq_Discuss mailing list > >>Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > >>http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > >>Archives: > >>http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > >>http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > >> > >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
