Steve, It is my understanding that MoQ is an Intellectual awareness. It is the realization of the function Of SOM, it's limits within the culture and the problems That arise from it. MoQ makes the distinction between SOM and Intellect as a whole, where previously they were viewed as one in the same.
I agree with Bo insofar as its direct application to our SOM based Culture. MoQ is an active inquiry, not a metaphysical absolute or truth. It is part Of the intellectual level but it makes the distinction between culture and intellection as a general concept. The rather good point that is made by Platt is that culturally bound intellectuals are not actually making intellectual distinctions rather As William James put it, are merely "rearranging their prejudices" within Cultural parameters. The more intellectual intellectuals are those who transcend The Cultural and make distinctions based on wider criteria. As Plato did, Pirsig gives a general framework as a guide to making distinctions outside of cultural preconceptions. Pirsigs is based on evolutionary Value, The 4 levels. Let's note that evolutionary value is neither a constant nor a truth and should not be associated with culturally derived understandings Of evolutionary merits of dominance or superiority because evolutionary Preference is not solely met in the socio/intellect level struggle. Dynamic Quality dictates evolutionary value, and as krimels mantra dictates "shit happens". Acceptable and unacceptable fall within cultural boundaries, they define a culture. Because we as individuals are defined by our culture we are also defined by our morals. Understanding this key point is understanding The key intellectual stumbling block of SOM in it's relation to attaining Greater degrees of Objective certainty vs. utilizing this knowledge to Better guide cultural understanding in regard to the importance of moral Definitions of acceptability. Pirsig and Plato offer convenient frameworks to transcend cultural preference. When understood in this way, they should be used in conjunction As forms of trans-cultural thinking. This is the intellectual level. This frees' intellect to honor moral standards for what they are without Falling to the cultural dogma of a universal truth of good. -Ron -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Peterson Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 10:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MD] Knowledge as MOQ's intellect Hi Platt, Pirsig said the MOQ is an intellectual pattern and therefore part of the fourth level and he never described a fifth level. I agree with him. I can't see the MOQ as part of a fifth level because a fifth level would have to be categorically different from the fourth in the way that a living being is different from an inanimate object or a city is different from a living being or an essay is different from a city. I don't see this sort of difference in kind between the MOQ and some version of SOM. They are both still philosophies. Reagrds, Steve On Monday, December 10, 2007, at 05:53AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Quoting Steven Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Hi Platt and Bo, >> >> Are you two saying that the 4th level is SOM? If so, is the OQ a fifth level? >> >> Regards, >> Steve > >Hi Steve, > >I can't speak for Bo but I think the 4th level is SOM. The MOQ stands at the >lower end of the 5th or art level because values are closely associated with >aesthetics. To reflect that association, I think Pirsig chose the art form of >the novel to present his metaphysics. > >IMO, >Platt > > > > > >------------------------------------------------- >This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
