How about God and the World as the very first subject and object. -Peter
On 17/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Steve and Group > > 16 Dec. you wrote: > > > What I'm seeing in the exchange quoted below is a lot of difference > > in view of what SOM is. I've started a new thread here to see what if > > we can clarify. > > > I think if SOM mostly in terms of subjective/objective knowledge > > distinctions while you see it as symbol/what is symbolized. > > I repeat that "symbol/what's symbolized" is just one of SOM' > many facets. > > > Can others provide evidence of what Pirsig means by subject-object > > metaphysics? > > We all hopefully agree that ZAMM's "Greek section" describes > the emergence, development and coming of age of SOM. > (my caps) > > Anaxagoras and Parmenides had a listener named > Socrates who carried their ideas into full fruition. What is > essential to understand at this point is that until now there > was no such thing as MIND and MATTER, SUBJECT and > OBJECT, FORM and SUBSTANCE. Those divisions are > just dialectical inventions that came later. > > There are surely more S/O derivatives, Mind/body, mental/ > corporeal, abstract/concrete and the said symbol/what's > symbolized are obvious. One more subtle is nurture/nature but as > we know, these two never agrees on who determines mankind, so > it's typical S/O. "Soul" was Greece's contribution to Judaism that > constituted Christianity so soul/body is another dichotomy. SOM > has had an enormous influence on Western philosophy by > creating the problem (all western thinking are footnotes to Plato > they say) and has coloured all "solutions". Pirsig is the first to > have put the bell on the cat and could have been the next Plato, > but regrettably did not complete the task that Phaedrus started. > > > IMO > > Bo > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
