Hi Peter Indeed, and human subjects are 'subjected' to divine commands they must obey, until they start to ask whether creative and commanding powers can be stolen from the gods.
David M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Corteen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [MD] What is SOM? > How about God and the World as the very first subject and object. > > -Peter > > On 17/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Steve and Group >> >> 16 Dec. you wrote: >> >> > What I'm seeing in the exchange quoted below is a lot of difference >> > in view of what SOM is. I've started a new thread here to see what if >> > we can clarify. >> >> > I think if SOM mostly in terms of subjective/objective knowledge >> > distinctions while you see it as symbol/what is symbolized. >> >> I repeat that "symbol/what's symbolized" is just one of SOM' >> many facets. >> >> > Can others provide evidence of what Pirsig means by subject-object >> > metaphysics? >> >> We all hopefully agree that ZAMM's "Greek section" describes >> the emergence, development and coming of age of SOM. >> (my caps) >> >> Anaxagoras and Parmenides had a listener named >> Socrates who carried their ideas into full fruition. What is >> essential to understand at this point is that until now there >> was no such thing as MIND and MATTER, SUBJECT and >> OBJECT, FORM and SUBSTANCE. Those divisions are >> just dialectical inventions that came later. >> >> There are surely more S/O derivatives, Mind/body, mental/ >> corporeal, abstract/concrete and the said symbol/what's >> symbolized are obvious. One more subtle is nurture/nature but as >> we know, these two never agrees on who determines mankind, so >> it's typical S/O. "Soul" was Greece's contribution to Judaism that >> constituted Christianity so soul/body is another dichotomy. SOM >> has had an enormous influence on Western philosophy by >> creating the problem (all western thinking are footnotes to Plato >> they say) and has coloured all "solutions". Pirsig is the first to >> have put the bell on the cat and could have been the next Plato, >> but regrettably did not complete the task that Phaedrus started. >> >> >> IMO >> >> Bo >> >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
