Marsha and Steve. 21 Dec. Steve cited Marsha's
> >Seems to me a view is a static pattern of value. Why couldn't a > >pattern exist in both the social level and intellectual level? One > >based on belief and habit (social), the other based on a patterns > >within science and a patterns within philosophy (intellectual). Turn it around to better understand. The levels are results of dynamic efforts to free existence from the strictures of the former level, thus all patterns of the lower level exists inside the upper. (as Pirsig says "all patterns are contained inside the intellectual level) For example, USA is an intellect-dominated culture, but when the "bells toll" (Sep.11 f.ex.) the social values of patriotism, willingness to sacrifice, duty ...etc. emerges, but when the dust settles the superior intellect returnes and take charge. > Steve: > I think social patterns are the hardest thing to understand about the > MOQ. As I see it, beliefs are intellectual. Habits to the extent they > refer to habits of mind like dividing experience into categories of > subjects and objects are patterns of thought and are intellectual as > well. How complicated is it possible to make such an elegant system as the static levels? Language is (originally) a social pattern - the ultimate one - but was adopted by intellect to serve its value. The term "belief" in a social (religious) context indicates devotion to God, but will in an intellectual context be used to express devotion to democratic institutions. Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
